If Floyd beats Shane and Beats Manny is that enough?

[hugh grant]

one last requirement beat Paul Williams at 154lbs then I can say that he is the greatest.

Beating SSM, Pac and then Paul WIlliams is good. But then if Pac beats Paul as well, then PBF will be in troube again.

[Xcusemymood]

History will show that Pac beat DLH and hatton better than PBF did, and that he also beat Cotto, when PBF didnt venture down those roads. He chose not to whatever reason. Cant change history now.
Pac gets extra brownie points however you look at it.

He might have beat them better, but he didnt beat a better them.

And the history books will show that Floyd fought Mosley, while Manny ducked him(even at 140).

Everyone knows Arum wouldnt put Cotto in with Floyd so its not really an isssue, especially if Floyd beats Shane and Pac.

[RockStar45]

He should fight the top fighters until he retires.

[hugh grant]

He might have beat them better, but he didnt beat a better them.
And the history books will show that Floyd fought Mosley, while Manny ducked him(even at 140).

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Manny didnt beat a better them? How do you gauge that accurately? Dont try to do it for Pac because you would have to do it with every fighter in history and its not possible to!

Hatton was trained by Senior Mayweather for the Pac fight. So i would think Hatton was as good as hed been for the fight with Pac. Hatton said he was much better after training with Senior and are you going to argue with hatton just because he lost. Its not Pac fault that Hatton fought the wrong fight, so dont try discredit him for it. And dont go saying PBF beat Hatton first ****.

Or i will say Pac knocked JMM down 3 times and beat JMM before PBF. And PBF only managed to knock him down once.

[Xcusemymood]

Manny didnt beat a better them? How do you gauge that accurately? Dont try to do it for Pac because you would have to do it with every fighter in history and its not possible to!

Hatton was trained by Senior Mayweather for the Pac fight. So i would think Hatton was as good as hed been for the fight with Pac. Hatton said he was much better after training with Senior and are you going to argue with hatton just because he lost. Its not Pac fault that Hatton fought the wrong fight, so dont try discredit him for it. And dont go saying PBF beat Hatton first ****.

Or i will say Pac knocked JMM down 3 times and beat JMM before PBF. And PBF only managed to knock him down once.

Hatton was done, Oscar was drained AND old.

Pac beat a better JMM at his true weight class.

Pretty simple.

[hugh grant]

Hatton was done, Oscar was drained AND old.

Pac beat a better JMM at his true weight class.

Pretty simple.

Historians wont see that hatton was done im afraid. Because you are as good as your last fight and Hatton was pretty damn good. Pac made DLH looked drained and old for sure, and you are perhaps right, he was. But no one said that before the fight and that is the thing.

[Blue Heffner]

Floyd's work is never done, the next top fighter he beats, the next NEW opponent they'll find to say, "_____ can beat him".

[johncods]

Fantasy Forum that way sir.. ----------------------->

[Allucard]

All but hardcore Floyd fans feel that floyd needs to do more to seal his legacy. His years spent not fighting top welterweights while campaigning in the welterweight division has negatively affected his image. The pre-welter floyd would haven't been questioned in my opinion, but after moving up and claiming to be the best, but not proving it, he's drawn attention to himself and in his own way negatively effected his legacy, but increased his ppv demand.

What i wonder, if Floyd fights and beats shane, and then fights and beats manny.... Is that enough? Will he still be questioned or will the critics be satisfied with that?

Does he then have to go on and beat paul williams? someone else?

What do you think?

I can feel you but wasn't Hoya a big enough challenge? How about Hatton? Was Hatton really a smaller man? So why did he perform so much better (physically speaking) vs Floyd? He was pushing Floyd back and even made Floyd out of balance a couple times. Imo the only time ever Floyd had a physical advantage over an opponent was in Marquez but none of us expected Floyd, coming out of retirement, vs the p4p #2 to deliver that big of a performance. Paul Williams? No one wants to fight Paul, why should Floyd of all people? Mosley ducked him, Pacquiao doesn't even mention his name (yuri is ok though) but Floyd, after 5 weight classes championship tittles in all of them, still has to "prove himself". I think he needs to beat Pacquiao like he needed to beat Hoya but Williams? Then who? Martinez too? Those are not welterweighs...

[Cash Cow]

How you beat people counts as well. IMO the way he beat DLH isnt satisfactory enough. People beat DLH better when DLH was in his prime than PBF did. THere has to be an explanation for that and the explanation is because PBF isnt that good when he faced top opposition.
Yes he beat Hatton, and well done for that. But Collazo nearly beat him as well, as did a few others at 147. Pac showed how its supposed to be done. PBF will always lose brownie points for the manner of his wins.

If he beats Pac it will be far his best win. SSM he should have fought years ago. So he will need a few more over light middlewieight Paul WIlliams to show David really did Goliath.
No one is fooled by his win over DLH as a david and goliath moment in boxing.
Even Duran beat Barkley.

what a ****** post