Manny's legacy sealed, but Floyd's aint...WTF!!!

[cortdawg25]

he's destroying it bit by bit tho, by not fighting the best while still at his prime. Like it or not if continues to cherrypick his accomplishments at the lower weights will be overshadowed by all the ducking at WW trust me.

who was the best and he didn't fight? name these people and when?

[Mojita]

You can't knock on Manny for moving up these weight class and fighting hard challenges all the way. He was considered the midget in his past fights but still won. and hes about to fight another tough as nails fighter he didnt have to in Clottey. Would Floyd fight Clottey? Hell no.

But Floyd is considering to fight Nate Campbell in his next fight? Floyd is hurting himself, well already hurt himself by not fighting the WW division the past 2 years. He could have beaten Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and his career would have been sealed perfect. Instead he chose to retire after fighting a 140 pounder, then now a 135 pounder, now another 140 pounder while calling himself a WW.

[cortdawg25]

You can't knock on Manny for moving up these weight class and fighting hard challenges all the way. He was considered the midget in his past fights but still won. and hes about to fight another tough as nails fighter he didnt have to in Clottey. Would Floyd fight Clottey? Hell no.

But Floyd is considering to fight Nate Campbell in his next fight? Floyd is hurting himself, well already hurt himself by not fighting the WW division the past 2 years. He could have beaten Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and his career would have been sealed perfect. Instead he chose to retire after fighting a 140 pounder, then now a 135 pounder, now another 140 pounder while calling himself a WW.

i'm not knocking him. what i'm dis*****g is these so-called hard challenges. david Diaz is no world beater and pacquiao is no midget!

and yes floyd would fight clottey if it paid well. But what does beating clottey mean? Who has clottey beat to make him so tough or elite? In his biggest fights, he has found a way to lose.

let me put it this way, If floyd decided to fight a fighter who just lost his previous bout, he would be crucified by u critics. Now say he wouldn't and I'll give you an actaul example that will prove you wrong

[norrin]

A lot of this talk reminds me of Cooney vs Holmes in the early 80's, w/ all of the polarization and hate (especially of Mayweather). Although everyone favors Manny because of his "good guy" image, it doesn't necessarily make him the greatest. The public villified Ali during his prime w/ a lot of public watching his fights to see him get KTFO but now the American public loves him.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

A lot of this talk reminds me of Cooney vs Holmes in the early 80's, w/ all of the polarization and hate (especially of Mayweather). Although everyone favors Manny because of his "good guy" image, it doesn't necessarily make him the greatest. The public villified Ali during his prime w/ a lot of public watching his fights to see him get KTFO but now the American public loves him.

did you just compare Manny to Gerry Cooney and Floyd to Ali?

[Doctor_Tenma]

You can't knock on Manny for moving up these weight class and fighting hard challenges all the way. He was considered the midget in his past fights but still won. and hes about to fight another tough as nails fighter he didnt have to in Clottey. Would Floyd fight Clottey? Hell no.

But Floyd is considering to fight Nate Campbell in his next fight? Floyd is hurting himself, well already hurt himself by not fighting the WW division the past 2 years. He could have beaten Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and his career would have been sealed perfect. Instead he chose to retire after fighting a 140 pounder, then now a 135 pounder, now another 140 pounder while calling himself a WW.

Because Clottey poses a serious threat right?

[Whodini]

since Allucard queefed on your behalf and demanded some kind of feedback to fuel an 'argument' (his words)


PAC could have retired immediately after DLH and his legacy would have been set...his resume speaks for itself


and while you cite all of floyd's accomplishments, tell me why most media outlets aren't making cases for his place on ATG lists? why?


dont give me the 'they hate floyd' angle...accomplishments are accomplishments so, why isn't he being praised? could it be that his legacy is NOT cemented?

You just don't get it aren't you? how could gayweather be in a "hall of shame" or even ATG when he's not fighting top contender? Yah he's fighting top contender in the lower division, bringing them to higher division to fight them. There's No Legacy on that! I would be undefeated too if i'm fighting Bitche$$!!

[cortdawg25]

You just don't get it aren't you? how could gayweather be in a "hall of shame" or even ATG when he's not fighting top contender? Yah he's fighting top contender in the lower division, bringing them to higher division to fight them. There's No Legacy on that! I would be undefeated too if i'm fighting Bitche$$!!

WoW!!!!!!!!!

[Allucard]

Floyd's already a hall of famer and an all time great.

But the fact is, Pacquiao is generally rated above Floyd by the majority of the boxing community. you can call it opinion, you can call it inaccurate, but thats a FACT. So if there is anything Floyd has to fight fore, its to be considered this generation's best fighter because that would place him above Pacquiao and he certainly wont do that fighting Nate Campbell.

Yes but it's still wrong. In the 2nd world war 99% of the Germans agreed with Hitler on ERADICATING the ***s. Did that make it a right thing to do? No, and that's exactly what's up. Back then, when all was set and done, europe lost it's #1 spot as THE world power (yes, America wasn't **** back then), and the Germans blamed Hitler's propaganda. That's also BS, you can't tell a countries entire population to do something that evil and people buy it! Hell the president can't even sell the Health care reform to the people who most need it (Tea parties in Pizza Hut featuring poor people, protesting against the HCR is just plain sad to see)!
Same with Floyd. He dominated the p4p ranks much longer than Pacquiao as even been around as one of the best. He was the p4p #3 only 3 years into his pro career. Did he put himself there? No, we did! We and the media! If we consider a decade 10 years (even 9, 8 or 7) Mayweather wins hands down. That's not open to opinion imo, it's a fact (as most Germans hated ***s enough to gas and burn them all making lamps and soap out of their skins and fat in the WW2 times), documented easily verified. Yes Pacquiao is hotter NOW but was Ali **** when he lost to Norton? I mean Norton was pretty hot then too, who's hotter now?
My point isn't hating on Pacquiao (or the Germans), all I'm saying is that sometimes a big group of people can be wrong and evil and just because they are many, it doesn't make them right.

[baracuda]

i'm asking u to name them. who did he fight and who should he have fought and when?

margo
shane
cotto
pwill
packy

he always has an excuse for not fighting them but people just dont buy in on it......you cant possibly say all of em are the ones to blame the fight not happenin........