Is the "clottey isnt active enough" theory a little overexaggerated?

[Syf]

I laugh when people say Clottey is slow, his hand speed is very fast.

again, even if his speed weren't under question, comparatively, its still inferior to Pac's.

Same with work rate.

[Tmann400]

Boxing can be extremely simple sometimes. Take it from one that has done it. 4 kinds of punches, done in thousands of different ways. Over complicating things can often lead to paralysis of analysis...



But anyway, Pac's footwork is top flight, in its dynamic way. In and out, w/some lateral. Don't let how he couldn't track down a running Cotto fool you. It was clear his intent in that fight was going strength to strength, and he trained for little else. Clottey is a mixed bag. I would train Pac for a little of everything in this one, if I were Roach.

I have little doubt about Pacquiao in this one. an entertaining fight.. maybe even a grueling fight, but he's 80% favorite at least for me, whereas the Mayweather Pac matchup was closer to a pick 'em

although i agree pacquiao CAN win..he is going to have the toughest fight of his career. clottey is physically bigger and stronger (zab judah said it himself) and is more versatile than cotto. pacquiao will have to make alot of adjustments to deal with clottey's physicality, handspeed, defense and sharp accurate punches.

[M.I Truth ?]

Some very valid points. I think the worry is Clottey may start fast but slow down and coast at points. If he is in the fight late he cant win on the cards so one would have to think ne needs to make pretty one sided to escape with a victory

[Tmann400]

again, even if his speed weren't under question, comparatively, its still inferior to Pac's.

Same with work rate.

if workrate was that important, pavlik would of beaten hopkins, didnt happen did it? MOST people were picking pavlik based on workrate alone!! this is my point...it just doesnt make sense to me when someone says oh he has a higher workrate like it makes the other guy inferior. its not just about how many punches you throw, but how you set them up, the timing with them etc.

[Tmann400]

Some very valid points. I think the worry is Clottey may start fast but slow down and coast at points. If he is in the fight late he cant win on the cards so one would have to think ne needs to make pretty one sided to escape with a victory

i agree on that. i think clottey will work the body early and will start to put combinations together midway through the fight.

[Iceta Lives]

Not at all. He is a very economical fighter.

[Syf]

although i agree pacquiao CAN win..he is going to have the toughest fight of his career. clottey is physically bigger and stronger (zab judah said it himself) and is more versatile than cotto. pacquiao will have to make alot of adjustments to deal with clottey's physicality, handspeed, defense and sharp accurate punches.

People were saying close to the same thing when he was going to face Cotto. Too big, too much of a boxer etc. With enough timing to offset Pac's speed (oh yes, that was a favorite of theirs) There was even a thread that argued Cotto was a better boxer than JMM, with Cotto winning the poll! I stuck by my guns and was right. Such is the case here. The only thing you have going for you is that Cotto fought at 145 whereas Clottey is supposedly allowed to weigh in at 147. Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. But even so, that's not enough of an advantage.

if workrate was that important, pavlik would of beaten hopkins, didnt happen did it? MOST people were picking pavlik based on workrate alone!! this is my point...it just doesnt make sense to me when someone says oh he has a higher workrate like it makes the other guy inferior. its not just about how many punches you throw, but how you set them up, the timing with them etc.

Comparing Pavlik to Pac? Really?

[Tmann400]

People were saying close to the same thing when he was going to face Cotto. Too big, too much of a boxer etc. With enough timing to offset Pac's speed (oh yes, that was a favorite of theirs) There was even a thread that argued Cotto was a better boxer than JMM, with Cotto winning the poll! I stuck by my guns and was right. Such is the case here. The only thing you have going for you is that Cotto fought at 145 whereas Clottey is supposedly allowed to weigh in at 147. Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. But even so, that's not enough of an advantage.



Comparing Pavlik to Pac? Really?

i knew you were going to come back with that. obviously no im not comparing them it was more of me sowing an example of how simple some boxing fans can be and you dont win fights because you throw ****loads of punches. just doesnt work that way.

[Ray*]

??..he beat cotto in my opinion...sorry running and throwing feints doesnt win you championshp rounds in my book.

Who said anything about running or feinting??? I mean he's just not active enough, He has one of the best combo (Especially the left down/up hook) But he isnt busy enough, He takes too much time off then try to comeback in the last 30 secs, He can get away with it if he was De la Hoya or Mayweather but when you're a guy like Clottey who has no Leverage then you need to up your activity if not they would give it to your opponent.

Most african fighters like Clottey or Funeka need to be flawless just to get a draw if a fight they win, He could have beat Margarito and he could have beaten Cotto but he just isnt busy enough and he isnt mentally tough enough to go the extra mile and do whats needed to win.

[Syf]

i knew you were going to come back with that. obviously no im not comparing them it was more of me sowing an example of how simple some boxing fans can be and you dont win fights because you throw ****loads of punches. just doesnt work that way.

yes, busy-ness is only one aspect Join it with speed, footwork, and some damn good punch resistance, oh, and the willpower of a titan, surprising strength, and devastating awkwardness

and you get pac.