How anyone can hate Wiliams is beyond me.

[Mikhnienko]

I had Williams beating martinez. At 147 I think he would wak down and decimate Cotto. Shut out Clottey. He already beat margarito, and I see him beating down Pacquaio due to size, reach and output. I also see him smothering Floyd. At 154 martinez and williams would be a 50-50 fight.

I appreciate the responce but you didn't answer anything i asked.

Him staying at 154 and his chances at owing the division and beating all the guys i mentioned.

Potential Pavlik fight and what you think he has to beat him.

Williams vs. Pavlik..........Williams late stoppage.



Pavlik is a very slow fighter. He throws wide looping shots that you can see coming a mile away. Paul is much faster and more athletic then Pavlik. He will SURELY beat Pavlik to the punch all night.

Um Pavlik's jab and Right are throwin as straight as an arrow, i also disagree with your handspeed and athleticism comment

Pavlik can be smothered by activity like Hopkins proved. Hopkins gave Kelly punches fromVERY angle and fast hand speed to go with it. Williams is much faster then Hops.

Citing Hopkins angles and trying to apply it to PW non applicable imo. PW may have faster handspeed but his windmill slaps won't "smother" Pavlik to the point of him not returning shots.

Williams is a guy who excels when he doesnt have to chase his opponent around the ring like against Slick Lefties. Kelly is a plodder and very flat footed and would be a target for Paul or night.

Agree but the same goes for PW who's chin can be gotten to by Martinez who isn't even the biggest ****er at 154 and who's punches can't hurt Kelly. Seems like a disadvange to PW to me.

Kelly does have a powerful right hand that I believe Paul can take. ASlso the kind of right hand that got Paul was one he DIDNT see coming against Sergio...There is nothing that Sergio does that Pavlik can copy in the ring.

You have a unrealistic faith in PW's chin imo

When Kelly has alot of punches coming at him he just covers up. He can easily be jabbed and even counterd by Williams...who is just soooo much faster and equal to him in size...even though Paul has the height and reach advantage.

PW cannot out jab Pavlik. Pavlik is very good at parrying, slipping, blocking shots and if anyone will be taking advange of counters it's Pavlik. Especially given PW love of sticking his chin out while throwing. You really are trying to sell PW as a effective counter puncher?

Paul also has the stamina to go 12 rounds with no problems. Pavlik will find it hard to get in a rthym and get off vs. Williams....just too many punches from too many different angles at highspeeds. Williams is a world class opponent. I think he beats Kelly pretty easily.

Williams...Late Stoppage.

stoppage? PW does not hit anyyyyyyyywhere near as hard as Zuniga, Miranda, Taylor or a LHW Hopkins, how you think he can hurt or overwhelm Pavlik baffles me. And the fact that you think he can take Pavlik's right hand also seems unrealistic to me and unfounded.

[Crazylegs77]

so taylor in two tries couldn't stop pavlik, a much bigger and stronger bhop couldnt stop him, but williams slapping is going to stop him? You are a ***EN JOKE! Willams couldn't even stop a retired winky or a 154 martinez shut ur dumb ass up dude.

using reason and logic.

Your need only to think of P Williams awesomeness!
hehe

seriously though good point.

Not to mention Hopkins couldnt stop Pavlik and he was having a field day with clean blows.

[B u r n e r]

I appreciate the responce but you didn't answer anything i asked.

Him staying at 154 and his chances at owing the division and beating all the guys i mentioned.

Potential Pavlik fight and what you think he has to beat him.



stoppage? PW does not hit anyyyyyyyywhere near as hard as Zuniga, Miranda, Taylor or a LHW Hopkins, how you think he can hurt or overwhelm Pavlik baffles me. And the fact that you think he can take Pavlik's right hand also seems unrealistic to me.

Yes Williams will stop Pavlik...too many punches...too many clean punches.....the ref or Pavs corner will stop it.

Pavlik hasnt looked the same since Hopkins ****d him and took his lunch money. Hes looke like ass against BUMS...Espinio...Lockett....and Rubio.

I have Williams beating Pavlik....easily at that.

[Sweet Jesus]

Yes Williams will stop Pavlik...too many punches...too many clean punches.....the ref or Pavs corner will stop it.

Pavlik hasnt looked the same since Hopkins ****d him and took his lunch money. Hes looke like ass against BUMS...Espinio...Lockett....and Rubio.

I have Williams beating Pavlik....easily at that.

I thought the espino fight was entertaining. I think that's what we'd see if paul and kelly ever got into it.

[jrosales13]

The only negative thing you can say about P-Will is that he is tall. Which is really ****** since there is no heightclasses... Nobody cared that Caballero or Funeka are tall for there respected weightclass, you can even say that Donaire and Darchinyan being tall for 115 especially since you have Poonsawat being only 5'3 at 122... but, nobody makes that argument for those fighters so why make it for P-Will?

Maybe cuz you can't call him a ducker since he is willing to fight any top fighter.

Maybe cuz you can't say he is boring.

Maybe cuz you can't say he is a quitter since he has showed to have heart...

So the only thing left is.... oh oh is not fair cuz he is too tall... GTFOH with that bull****..

[tredh]

A Pavlik win would be good but he is not that good. I would respect a clear win over Martinez more than a win over Pavlik

[B u r n e r]

The only negative thing you can say about P-Will is that he is tall. Which is really ****** since there is no heightclasses... Nobody cared that Caballero or Funeka are tall for there respected weightclass, you can even say that Donaire and Darchinyan being tall for 115 especially since you have Poonsawat being only 5'3 at 122... but, nobody makes that argument for those fighters so why make it for P-Will?

Maybe cuz you can't call him a ducker since he is willing to fight any top fighter.

Maybe cuz you can't say he is boring.

Maybe cuz you can't say he is a quitter since he has showed to have heart...

So the only thing left is.... oh oh is not fair cuz he is too tall... GTFOH with that bull****..

Yeah thats a crap argument.......

He will fight any AND everybody...........

Always gives the fans a show

And NEVER...EVER...quits.

[Mikhnienko]

Yes Williams will stop Pavlik...too many punches...too many clean punches.....the ref or Pavs corner will stop it.

Pavlik hasnt looked the same since Hopkins ****d him and took his lunch money. Hes looke like ass against BUMS...Espinio...Lockett....and Rubio.

I have Williams beating Pavlik....easily at that.

You're delusional. Espinio sucks but he is tough and has a respectable chin. If PW and Pavlik end up trading on the inside like in the Espinio fight (which given both guys is likely) PW doesn't last as long as Espinio did.

He'll trade with Pavlik cuz that is all he knows how to do and when he does he'll be out of there, probably before 6 rounds.

When they fight all my points, bank all that **** and some kind of sig bet, whatever you want man.

[Bushbaby]

Yup,Bully it really is amazing!!

[Vasyl’s dad]

Burner is my man but I always disagree with stuff like that. 1st of off he has the size to not fear anyone. Size wise who should he fear? 2nd, he's not a money maker so you know he's going to want to fight anyone who brings any kind of money. 3rd, he's good but he's not on top so he's not in any position to do anything but take any fight.

I always use to tell people that there are bums with 10 losses in boxing who will also fight anyone but what does that really mean? You have guys right now calling Floyd out that youve never even heard of. Emanual Augustus would fight Williams, Floyd, and Pac on the same damn night but what does it really mean? Different guys are in different positions and then that changes things totally.

You saw that Margarito would fight anyone until he got on top and then he wasnt going to rematch Williams until he got the other big money fights 1st. A guy like Margarito you would think would super quickly want to avenge his loss and he wouldve done that all day before he got big but once he was on top then that changed. Thats how that **** works. On the flip side you saw how little Floyd went hard for years after an Oscar fight. You telling me that Floyd wouldnt have went that hard after Margarito & Cotto if they brought the big bucks and Floyd wasnt a star at that time?

It was Margarito who asked for the immediate rematch, Paul who declined.

In any case, I'm a Williams fan.