When it comes down to it, Pacquiao agreed to the EXTRA testing Floyd requested

[THE REED]

Find the link, because I can't seem to.

Did Pac and Roach know about it?
If they'd learned of it in time, the fight might have been saved.
You probably underestimate how ticked-off Pac was about the
apparent inflexibility-based-on-mere-rumor, on the other side,
and a little sign of compromise might have worked wonders.

Burner just posted an entire thread in NSB providing links and everything.

[B u r n e r]

Honestly Tortilla Warrior is a joke. Hes just some bum in a starbucks bumming internet connection.

[horge]

Horge,

When did the deal go irrevocably dead....before or after the mediation?

Please answer that.

Sure.

For Blob Arum, no deal is ever really dead.

For Pac, it was upon announcement that arbitration had failed:
to Pac's knowledge, up to that point Floyd's team had shown
zero willingness to meet him halfway on the blood issue. After
all the misinformation (14 vs. 24 for the Hatton footage), the
slanderous statements, and overall drama, I bet he was more
than ready to get away from Team Mayweather... and he has.

For Roach, ....well, who gives a fuck?

[dans]

-Pacquiao has NEVER tested for PEDS
-There has NEVER been any actual evidence that Pacquiao has used PEDS
-NONE of Floyd's previous opponents had EVER been asked to go through ADDITIONAL testing

Regardless of the facts I listed above, Floyd wanted blood testing done which is OUTSIDE of what the NSAC constitutes. The same NSAC that has regulated most of Mayweather's MAJOR bouts which he had NO problem with. This is what you call a COMPROMISE.

Why should Pacquiao submit COMPLETELY to the demand of Floyd Mayweather? He met him the middle and it is Floyd Mayweather Jr. who declined.

All Floyd had to do was agree and we had a fight.

You want to bring up the over the weight fines the Pacquiao camp request? Floyd purposely came over weight against Marquez. Pacquiao has never tested positive for PEDS.

First thing, I like you as a poster. Anyone who backs Dawson and fires back at his haters, I respect.

But Pacquiao did not meet in the middle. Floyd said random testing, Pacquiao said 30 days. Floyd offered 14 day cutoff, Pacquiao said 24. How is that in the middle? That's like me and you splitting a pizza and me saying, "Here you can have the crust and I'll eat the rest. Fair?"

The other thing, did Mark McGwire ever test positive for steroids? I think not. This whole sentiment from Pac supporters and Pacquiao's team saying "He's never failed a test" means nothing. The whole reason Mayweather wants these tests is to prevent Pac from using steroids or catch him in the act. Normal drug testing clearly is not as effective when you look at all the guys who have passed the NSAC's tests who have been proven to be steroid users.

[Vasyl’s dad]

http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing...light=steroids

Specifically:

“Most states don’t test for steroids,” says Dr. Margaret Goodman, former Nevada Chief Ringside Physician and Chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board. “In Nevada, we test fighters on championship cards. In New Jersey, they test every fighter for steroids. If we’d do what’s done in the Olympics or what the World Anti-Doping Agency recommends – sporadically test them during training – that would really be the best way. But if you check them right before or after a fight, they’ll test negative. Boxers are just as smart as anyone else and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go online and look at how long a certain drug stays in your system.”

Julio Cesar Chavez disagrees with you.



The thing you're not getting is this,

I'm not against better standards at all. But I'm not going to act like its been a major thorn in my fanship because quite frankly, even as other boxers have been caught, its never been a major issue to me.

My problem stems from the timing of
a. the accusations made
b. the demands made because of the accusations
where the accusations are coming from in regards to a fighter who has a history of making excuses of why he shouldn't fight certain people
c. the way the whole issue was approached.
d. the representatives of said fighter steadfastly refused this type of testing when the shoe was on the other foot.



Again, if boxing itself proceeds to follow through with more stringent testing, I'm all for it.

But don't come at me and say its about the fairness of the sport when the fighter the demands are coming from, hasn't been fair to his opponent in just his last fight, and said fighter has a history of excuses pertaining to certain fighters.

[Vasyl’s dad]

First thing, I like you as a poster. Anyone who backs Dawson and fires back at his haters, I respect.

But Pacquiao did not meet in the middle. Floyd said random testing, Pacquiao said 30 days. Floyd offered 14 day cutoff, Pacquiao said 24. How is that in the middle? That's like me and you splitting a pizza and me saying, "Here you can have the crust and I'll eat the rest. Fair?"

The other thing, did Mark McGwire ever test positive for steroids? I think not. This whole sentiment from Pac supporters and Pacquiao's team saying "He's never failed a test" means nothing. The whole reason Mayweather wants these tests is to prevent Pac from using steroids or catch him in the act. Normal drug testing clearly is not as effective when you look at all the guys who have passed the NSAC's tests who have been proven to be steroid users.

Did Marion Jones ever test positive for steroids when she was competing in the Olympics?

[Championart]

Pac never agreed period no matter how try to spin it he did not agree to the random drug tests especially in the 30 days leading up to the fight. Also while Mayweather did come in over the weight of the catchweight fight with marquez, the fight with pac isn't a catchweight fight and mayweather has never came in above the 147 lb limit when the fight is for that weight. So your points null and void.

[Gutz]

Julio Cesar Chavez disagrees with you.



The thing you're not getting is this,

I'm not against better standards at all. But I'm not going to act like its been a major thorn in my fanship because quite frankly, even as other boxers have been caught, its never been a major issue to me.

My problem stems from the timing of
a. the accusations made
b. the demands made because of the accusations
where the accusations are coming from in regards to a fighter who has a history of making excuses of why he shouldn't fight certain people
c. the way the whole issue was approached.
d. the representatives of said fighter steadfastly refused this type of testing when the shoe was on the other foot.



Again, if boxing itself proceeds to follow through with more stringent testing, I'm all for it.

But don't come at me and say its about the fairness of the sport when the fighter the demands are coming from, hasn't been fair to his opponent in just his last fight, and said fighter has a history of excuses pertaining to certain fighters.

Truth right here!

[Championart]

Did Marion Jones ever test positive for steroids when she was competing in the Olympics?

No she didn't but thats because the testing procedures they were using back then weren't on par with the designer drugs they were using back then, let her try to do it now with the testing procedures that are in place.

[IMDAZED]

Julio Cesar Chavez disagrees with you.



The thing you're not getting is this,

I'm not against better standards at all. But I'm not going to act like its been a major thorn in my fanship because quite frankly, even as other boxers have been caught, its never been a major issue to me.

My problem stems from the timing of
a. the accusations made
b. the demands made because of the accusations
where the accusations are coming from in regards to a fighter who has a history of making excuses of why he shouldn't fight certain people
c. the way the whole issue was approached.
d. the representatives of said fighter steadfastly refused this type of testing when the shoe was on the other foot.



Again, if boxing itself proceeds to follow through with more stringent testing, I'm all for it.

But don't come at me and say its about the fairness of the sport when the fighter the demands are coming from, hasn't been fair to his opponent in just his last fight, and said fighter has a history of excuses pertaining to certain fighters.

I'm done with you dude.

You said no one had written about it before this mess - I provided two articles mentioning it (BTW, there are many more if you would google YOURSELF).

Then you accused me of being a Floyd fan and ran off. Go sell your BS elsewhere. You have no interest in a healthy debate, just bashing Floyd. That's fine - I'm all for it. Just not on this topic.