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No back up your ***** talk...chump.Comment
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Everyone on both sides look like idiots here, but none more than Bob Arum. He's the one who tried to torpedo the fight at every turn.Comment
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Specifically:
“Most states don’t test for steroids,” says Dr. Margaret Goodman, former Nevada Chief Ringside Physician and Chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board. “In Nevada, we test fighters on championship cards. In New Jersey, they test every fighter for steroids. If we’d do what’s done in the Olympics or what the World Anti-Doping Agency recommends – sporadically test them during training – that would really be the best way. But if you check them right before or after a fight, they’ll test negative. Boxers are just as smart as anyone else and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go online and look at how long a certain drug stays in your system.”Comment
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Find the link, because I can't seem to.
Did Pac and Roach know about it?
If they'd learned of it in time, the fight might have been saved.
You probably underestimate how ticked-off Pac was about the
apparent inflexibility-based-on-mere-rumor, on the other side,
and a little sign of compromise might have worked wonders.Comment
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All you need to know is that I read all this, I don't buy it but I got nothing else to say then.It doesn't matter how you or I rationalize it.
Eveyone has IRRATIONAL beliefs; and it's worse when they
seem to have been reinforced by actual experience.
Pac was blaming his fucking SOCKS
for the Marquez draw, lol!!!! Try convincing him to wear the
same brand again... everyone has ****** claims and beliefs.
BOTTOM LINE, then:
Floyd had an arguably-irrational demand for blood testing up
to fight night itself. He did not bend that fucling demand until
the deal had gone irrevocably dead for a mid-March fight.
Pac had an arguably-irrational aversion to blood testing, period.
He compromised by agreeing in principle to random tests, but
stipulated a cutoff. He'd compromised on blood before, in the
Hatton fight, and that provided a useful benchmark for a cutoff.
Check out the timeline:
In late December Arum and his assigns were the only ones allowed
to deal with Team Mayweather's reps, and Arum wanted 30 days.
Out of desire to save the fight, Pac and Roach made some very
public comments:
In late December, Roach indicated 5 days ought to be enough,
but that Pac had a psychological aversion. It was no lie.
Also in late December, Pac said twice that 48 hours was the utter
minimum cutoff he'd survive. Arum and Koncz put a gag on that
****, and "Pac" posted an unusually articulate statement on his
website, suddenly toeing Arum's 30 day line. Pac and Arum still
aren't too friendly since then, is what I'm hearing.
Then you had the lie about the Pac-Hatton 24/7 video, and also
the failed arbitration, where Arum's no longer saying 30, but 24
days, which happens to match the true date of the 24/7 footage.
It was a circus of lies and misunderstandings, but if 14 days was
acceptable from the start, it shouldn't have been offered so late,
it should have been offered very publicly, after Pac and Roach had
as-publicly floated 5/2 days.
Fight would have been signed with a 7 day cutoff, but because it
was more about mind games, about showing who was boss, than
about making the fight, it died.
If you expect more, or different, you can keep on waiting.
h.Comment
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So, two whole writers, prior to 11/08 made a stink.
Ok, so where was the rest of the boxing community with that line of thinking?
Where are the fighters and trainers who have had such a problem that they refused to fight in certain states?
lol, two whole writers.
This is what I found interesting from the article you linked me though,
It does not seem that boxing has a steroid problem, but that doesn’t mean the issue should be ignored.
I spoke with Marc Ratner, chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and he said: "I don’t think it’s a widespread problem but we have to be vigilant. Of the hundreds of tests we’ve administered, we’ve only had a couple of positives. But the most important thing is that we maintain a level playing field."
Nevada, New Jersey, New York, California and Pennsylvania are some of the major state athletic commissions that administer tests for steroids. Some states – such as New York and California – test only after world title bouts. Nevada has been conducting random tests for more than a decade and mandatory tests after championship fights for the last five years. The New Jersey commission tests for controlled substances after every fight, and steroids, along with marijuana and narcotics, fall into that category
Larry Hazzard, commissioner of the New Jersey Athletic Control Board, agrees with Ratner and points to the numbers as proof. "With all the years that this has been a problem in other sports, and it has been much more of a problem in other sports, we haven’t seen a lot of it," he said. "We’ve had a few positive tests, but it’s been a very small percentage. There hasn’t been a high profile fighter who has tested positive in New Jersey."
Looks like Floyds fights are going to have to be categorized as "no contest" seeing as he doesn't agree with the testing administered by the commissions he fights under.
But yea, thanks for the links,
two whole writers were on to this prior to November 2008. I never realized two whole writers make up the boxing community.
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