If Henry Armstrong were alive and fighting today

[Doctor_Tenma]

He said he didn't care about what the thread was about,

so why read the rest?

Mayweather crowd

and

Thread

[Vasyl’s dad]

Mayweather crowd

and

Thread

You want to know whats really interesting?

Why is he even reading my posts,

when he has had me on ignore?

There was a time I couldn't even respond to his threads, and he said he liked it that way.

So, why is he in mine again?

Perhaps I should throw my weight around in my own thread and ignore him too?

I don't go into peoples threads I have on ignore,

you know why?

I don't care about their opinions.

[Suckmedry]

Absurd catchweights?

You do know that Cotto weighed in at less than 147 for 5 of his previous 9 welterweight fights right?

Cotto came in at

146 vs Quintana
146.5 vs Judah
146.25 vs Mosley
146.50 vs Gomez
146 vs Clottey

You can have your say in that matter,

here,

http://boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339629

Can you expand further on why you believe HA wouldn't have refused blood tests either?

I'm curious to know how you know so much about him that you can vouch, or at the very least, guess for what he would do.

Also, please go on about how its a joke to compare the two.

I'd love to hear it.

I don't think HA would have refused blood tests if it meant a shot/payday at Floyd Mayweather. Armstrong fought some of his early fights after travelling around for days with little or no food, a blood test 2 weeks before the damn fight would mean 0 to him.

Guess what he would do if he was fighting today? Well he would probably have won his first title at 122 with day before weigh ins, but then as he filled out would have moved up won a title at 126, 130, 135 there would be no need to go above 135 for Armstrong, he was never weighing more than early 140's even when fighting as a MW, but he probably would have gone even higher up the scale in search of bigger fights. Henry was a special fighter.

And it is a joke to compare the two. Who did Manny beat for the WW title, Miguel Cotto (very good fighter) after having already come through LW etc. Well Henry Armstrong beat Barney Ross (ATG), after jumping straight from 126 and being outweighed by some ridiculous amount. Henry was much smaller than Manny also, he was weighing low 140's on the day of the fight even fighting as a MW.

He weighed 133 claiming the WW title from Ross. 133 pounds, winning the WW title. Think about it.

[dde91]

Armstrong won some of his title being outweighed by 15 or more lbs, he fought for the MW title at 142 lbs FFS, and he never, ever asked for any absurd catchweights and I doubt he would have refused blood tests either.

Manny being compared to Henry is an utter joke.

thats when you KNOW that your an idiot and your a HATER.
Pacquiao only has ONE catch weight and it was only 1 pd less than what cotto weighed against Clottey. The De La Hoya fight, De la Hoya made him come up 12 pds while De La Hoya dropped 3 pds from his fight with Forbes.
MEANWHILE Mayweather made Marquez come up but didn't want to come in the weight agreed.


Manny being compared to Henry is what should be talked about because Manny moves up and wins just LIKE HENRY did so i dont see how comparing Manny to Henry is a Joke unless your a joke yourself and a selfish lil hater that cant see the success of one of Boxing Modern GREATS.

[dde91]

I don't think HA would have refused blood tests if it meant a shot/payday at Floyd Mayweather. Armstrong fought some of his early fights after travelling around for days with little or no food, a blood test 2 weeks before the damn fight would mean 0 to him.

Guess what he would do if he was fighting today? Well he would probably have won his first title at 122 with day before weigh ins, but then as he filled out would have moved up won a title at 126, 130, 135 there would be no need to go above 135 for Armstrong, he was never weighing more than early 140's even when fighting as a MW, but he probably would have gone even higher up the scale in search of bigger fights. Henry was a special fighter.

And it is a joke to compare the two. Who did Manny beat for the WW title, Miguel Cotto (very good fighter) after having already come through LW etc. Well Henry Armstrong beat Barney Ross (ATG), after jumping straight from 126 and being outweighed by some ridiculous amount. Henry was much smaller than Manny also, he was weighing low 140's on the day of the fight even fighting as a MW.

He weighed 133 claiming the WW title from Ross. 133 pounds, winning the WW title. Think about it.

Yepp Henry Armstrong was a special fighter. But if they fought and he fought Manny right now, then Manny would be a bit bigger. But a couple years ago at 130, they would be the same size, and a couple years before that Manny would be smaller by a bit.

[Suckmedry]

Would they accuse him of steroids? Henry was giving away more weight and beating better fighters than Manny, but he wasn't knocking them cold, although he did TKO a few. But that is more due to styles, Armstrong was a wear you down kind of puncher, Manny is a knock you the **** out kind of puncher.

It's a ****** question really.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I don't think HA would have refused blood tests if it meant a shot/payday at Floyd Mayweather. Armstrong fought some of his early fights after travelling around for days with little or no food, a blood test 2 weeks before the damn fight would mean 0 to him.

Guess what he would do if he was fighting today? Well he would probably have won his first title at 122 with day before weigh ins, but then as he filled out would have moved up won a title at 126, 130, 135 there would be no need to go above 135 for Armstrong, he was never weighing more than early 140's even when fighting as a MW, but he probably would have gone even higher up the scale in search of bigger fights. Henry was a special fighter.

And it is a joke to compare the two. Who did Manny beat for the WW title, Miguel Cotto (very good fighter) after having already come through LW etc. Well Henry Armstrong beat Barney Ross (ATG), after jumping straight from 126 and being outweighed by some ridiculous amount. Henry was much smaller than Manny also, he was weighing low 140's on the day of the fight even fighting as a MW.

He weighed 133 claiming the WW title from Ross. 133 pounds, winning the WW title. Think about it.

So, you're saying winning a titles in 3 divisions in a span of 18 months, is not comparable to winning 3 titles in 3 divisions in a year?

What does it matter who he beat for the title?

He did in fact beat the person who held the title did he not?
I don't see you or others giving Floyd stick for winning titles against Arturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, and a part time and aged fighter in DLH. You cats love to spout that he did in fact, "beat the champion at that time".

Now you're trying to backtrack from that line of thinking?


But please do expand further on your knowledge of HA and why he would just cave in to someones outrageous demands that nobody else goes through?

He was a punisher in the ring, but a walkover outside of it?

I don't believe that.

If HA was doing today what he was doing then in comparison to Floyd,

he'd be a bigger star who would have more negotiating power,

just as Manny does today.

[Suckmedry]

So, you're saying winning a titles in 3 divisions in a span of 18 months, is not comparable to winning 3 titles in 3 divisions in a year?

What does it matter who he beat for the title?

He did in fact beat the person who held the title did he not?
I don't see you or others giving Floyd stick for winning titles against Arturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, and a part time and aged fighter in DLH. You cats love to spout that he did in fact, "beat the champion at that time".

Now you're trying to backtrack from that line of thinking?


But please do expand further on your knowledge of HA and why he would just cave in to someones outrageous demands that nobody else goes through?

He was a punisher in the ring, but a walkover outside of it?

I don't believe that.

If HA was doing today what he was doing then in comparison to Floyd,

he'd be a bigger star who would have more negotiating power,

just as Manny does today.

In Hanks' time, one title in each division. If you won the title you were the man. In Manny's time, 4 titles in each division. Bit different.

What does it matter who he beat? Ok so If someone beats David Diaz for a piece of the Lightweight title, and someone else beats Lou Ambers for the undisputed title, the whole thing, isn't the latter accomplishment more impressive.

Listen I am no brainless Floyd worshipper, a fan of Floyd yes, but a fan of boxing and a boxer myself. I know Floyd makes mistakes and I don't ride his ****.

The demands aren't that outrageous. HA was a real fighter, what I mean by real is fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. Like I said the guy sometimes didn't eat a damn meal before he fought when he was poor, taking a blood test 2 weeks before would be like, wtf, who cares?

[Vasyl’s dad]

In Hanks' time, one title in each division. If you won the title you were the man. In Manny's time, 4 titles in each division. Bit different.

What does it matter who he beat? Ok so If someone beats David Diaz for a piece of the Lightweight title, and someone else beats Lou Ambers for the undisputed title, the whole thing, isn't the latter accomplishment more impressive.

Listen I am no brainless Floyd worshipper, a fan of Floyd yes, but a fan of boxing and a boxer myself. I know Floyd makes mistakes and I don't ride his ****.

The demands aren't that outrageous. HA was a real fighter, what I mean by real is fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. Like I said the guy sometimes didn't eat a damn meal before he fought when he was poor, taking a blood test 2 weeks before would be like, wtf, who cares?

I've already said what you're telling me, but you're saying it doesn't matter because of the quality of his competition in those victories.


So tell me what you think about his wins against the competition he won his titles at 140 and up?

Are you saying Floyds win in his title fights are less because of who the opponent was? I hope so as it would only be fair to what you're calling Manny out on.

and yes, the demands are outrageous. Never, ever has Floyd cared about the integrity of his bouts or how they are conducted. For all of the serious challenges to him in the last five years,

there has always been an excuse as to not take on that challenge.

This sudden demand, based on speculation with no absolute proof or evidence, is outrageous. There is no reason for it. If you believe so, you have to rule all of Floyds fights under the NSAC as "no contest".


Btw, I'm still waiting on why you think if HA were alive today, he'd just immediately cave in to these demands.

[El Jesus]

Btw, I'm still waiting on why you think if HA were alive today, he'd just immediately cave in to these demands.

Im actually waiting for you to respond to my post properly and not take one sentence and attempt to run with it while ignoring my entire argument, which is if Armstrong fought today, boxing of today would dictate alot of his desicions. Not to mention, even if he moved up, at some point one or two of the organizations would force a mandatory within 3 or 5 months of his winning a title. Also, if hes the undisputed king of each division, that means hes holding multiple alphabet titles, hed be forced to vacate at some point. Hed also be getting challanges from everyone from the 3-6 divisions his titles are spanning, he would likely do what i said hed do, which is vacate and take the biggest money fights out there. Thats why i told you youre topic is revisionst garbage veiled at attacking mayweather, when everyone plays the same exact game.

Back in henrys time, you fought youre way through a division, you fought a guy like Eder Jofre or a Barney Ross and you became king of that division. Nowadays, you take on a beltholder and you are champion, and even champions who are kings of specific divisions, dont even have to fight you if they are taking a big money fight in another division, certain belt organizations let you keep a ****ing belt without even defending it, in some cases for YEARS, (Tszyu, De La Hoya and now Pac at 140). Pac is king of 140 by fighting hatton, thats a good win, but is he planning on defending that title while guys like timothy bradley are in waiting? **** no, because bradley isnt with top rank and there is very little money in that fight.

Even the man you love so much mayweather jr was a victim of this at 140, when the only beltholder willing to fight him was vivian harris and he got knocked out on the very same undercard. He had force a mandatory with gatti, who was doing everything he could not to fight him. If it wasnt for that, mayweather likely might not have ever gotten a belt at 140 since tszyu got tied up with hatton, and even when hatton didint have that fight going, hatton wanted no part of mayweather by his own admission of "not being ready" THATS TODAYS BOXING ENVOIRMENT. and everyone plays by the same ****ing rules.

So please stop pretending like you are drawing this great parallel between the past and the present, you barely understand the present and youre historical knowledge on the sport is spotty at best, much like youre arguments.