If Henry Armstrong were alive and fighting today

[El Jesus]

lol i always laugh at these idealistic revisionist topics.

If armstrong were alive today he would likely, if not more than likely adhere to the current ad-hoc structure of fights today. Which is build a name, structure a fanbase, take mega fights and weigh in on risk reward.

Unlike fighters of yesteryear, where great fighters in some instances were only contenders and never champions, every contender in todays era can grab a piece of a title and be called a "X time champion" as if it is the same comparison in the era of yesteryear, where ALI being a multiple time champion, when there was really only one champion, meant something.

You got guys who move up through divisions, taking on garbage beltholder contenders and becoming champions. In some instances, its either the contender or the main champion who decides not to adhere to a title shot because they themselves are weighing risk and reward.

Most of you in this thread commenting are discussing a hypothetical without factoring in that boxing today is not what it was before, if those same champions lived today, theyd be playing by the rules we have today, not the rules of yesteryear. What promoter in their right mind would do what fighters did before? like fighting 4 times a month, or defending their title 12 times in a year in todays era?

Not that i expect that from alot of you since most of you hear a historical name on HBO, google him, then pretend to actually be able to correlate todays era with yesterdays. This concept is flawed on about 50 ends.

[Vasyl’s dad]

lol i always laugh at these idealistic revisionist topics.

If armstrong were alive today he would likely, if not more than likely adhere to the current ad-hoc structure of fights today. Which is build a name, structure a fanbase, take mega fights and weigh in on risk reward.

Unlike fighters of yesteryear, where great fighters in some instances were only contenders and never champions, every contender in todays era can grab a piece of a title and be called a "X time champion" as if it is the same comparison in the era of yesteryear, where ALI being a multiple time champion, when there was really only one champion, meant something.

You got guys who move up through divisions, taking on garbage beltholder contenders and becoming champions. In some instances, its either the contender or the main champion who decides not to adhere to a title shot because they themselves are weighing risk and reward.

Most of you in this thread commenting are discussing a hypothetical without factoring in that boxing today is not what it was before, if those same champions lived today, theyd be playing by the rules we have today, not the rules of yesteryear. What promoter in their right mind would do what fighters did before? like fighting 4 times a month, or defending their title 12 times in a year in todays era?

Not that i expect that from alot of you since most of you hear a historical name on HBO, google him, then pretend to actually be able to correlate todays era with yesterdays. This concept is flawed on about 50 ends.

It may not be what it was before,

but would the Mayweather crowd accuse Henry Armstrong of steroids if he had a Pac like ascension?

Its not really a hard question to answer seeing as how Manny Pacquiao is indeed a 7 division titlist, the last 3 divisional titles coming in the last 18 months, and Henry Armstrong was a 3 division champ at the same time.

So, again, how about answering the question instead of trying to just dismiss it as idealistic revisionism?

[DonTaseMeBrah]

It may not be what it was before,

but would the Mayweather crowd accuse Henry Armstrong of steroids if he had a Pac like ascension?

Its not really a hard question to answer seeing as how Manny Pacquiao is indeed a 7 division titlist, the last 3 divisional titles coming in the last 18 months, and Henry Armstrong was a 3 division champ at the same time.

So, again, how about answering the question instead of trying to just dismiss it as idealistic revisionism?

of course not. Armstrong is american. You think the mayweather mafia would be on Pacquiao's case if pacquiao's name was marvin peterson was black & from philadelphia?

[El Jesus]

It may not be what it was before,

but would the Mayweather crowd accuse Henry Armstrong of steroids if he had a Pac like ascension?

Its not really a hard question to answer seeing as how Manny Pacquiao is indeed a 7 division titlist, the last 3 divisional titles coming in the last 18 months, and Henry Armstrong was a 3 division champ at the same time.

So, again, how about answering the question instead of trying to just dismiss it as idealistic revisionism?

I dont care what the "mayweather crowd" would accuse Armstrong of. If Armstrong was american and if he lived through the steroid era in baseball and so many other sports, he would know that he would be under a microscope to take the tests to prove his innocence.

What happened when Mcguire said "im not here to talk about the past". What happened? He was indicted by court of public opinion instantly and he never tested positive for anything ever.

Pac can do what hes doing because he has an entire country behind him. Its not like the phillipines has a long history of top level atheletes using PED's, thus even the idea of him taking random blood tests, if he doesnt approve, his country will stand behind that no matter what because hes a national hero. But in america we dont give a **** about that because if we did, wed do everything we could to cover up when sosa, bonds and the others got caught up like they did. Or Floyd Landis testing positive when he did as well.

The fact is, if lance armstrong would have said no to the rigerous testing that the french put him through, im talking they really woke up him up in the early AM to test him, then we would be raising questions about him as well. But he didint do that, he took the damn tests.

Like i said, the envoirment for the sport of boxing and sports period is not what it was before.

Also, if you really want good answers on this subject, you need to post this in the history section. I stand by what i said, this entire thread is flawed, you arent taking in the conditions of todays envoirment. If you want to turn this into one of youre veiled windups at mayweather fans, then i see why you posted this here and not the history section. Thats the only purpose you serve here.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I dont care what the "mayweather crowd" would accuse Armstrong of. .

So then,

why are you posting in here?

The question was laid out specifically.


Now, you can try answering it as such, or just buzz off.

Take your pick.

[El Jesus]

So then,

why are you posting in here?

The question was laid out specifically.


Now, you can try answering it as such, or just buzz off.

Take your pick.

I answer youre question and you ignore the entire post. What kind of bull**** is that?

Like i said, i dont care what the mayweather mafia, or the mayweather fans or whoever think, i dont represent them, i only represent myself. I gave you my opinion and i told you, if you really want real answers to youre question post it in the history section, i gave you the best answer i could give. Taking one sentence and then trying to steer this into some slippery slope is a bush league tactic and definitely a reflection on youre inability to sustain a legitimate discussion.

[wizard king]

I answer youre question and you ignore the entire post. What kind of bull**** is that?

Like i said, i dont care what the mayweather mafia, or the mayweather fans or whoever think, i dont represent them, i only represent myself. I gave you my opinion and i told you, if you really want real answers to youre question post it in the history section, i gave you the best answer i could give. Taking one sentence and then trying to steer this into some slippery slope is a bush league tactic and definitely a reflection on youre inability to sustain a legitimate discussion.

why even bother talking to this torilla kid as you can see its his way or the high way. You cant reason or talk to ****** stubborn people

[DonTaseMeBrah]

I dont care what the "mayweather crowd" would accuse Armstrong of. If Armstrong was american and if he lived through the steroid era in baseball and so many other sports, he would know that he would be under a microscope to take the tests to prove his innocence.

What happened when Mcguire said "im not here to talk about the past". What happened? He was indicted by court of public opinion instantly and he never tested positive for anything ever.

Pac can do what hes doing because he has an entire country behind him. Its not like the phillipines has a long history of top level atheletes using PED's, thus even the idea of him taking random blood tests, if he doesnt approve, his country will stand behind that no matter what because hes a national hero. But in america we dont give a **** about that because if we did, wed do everything we could to cover up when sosa, bonds and the others got caught up like they did. Or Floyd Landis testing positive when he did as well.

The fact is, if lance armstrong would have said no to the rigerous testing that the french put him through, im talking they really woke up him up in the early AM to test him, then we would be raising questions about him as well. But he didint do that, he took the damn tests.

Like i said, the envoirment for the sport of boxing and sports period is not what it was before.

Also, if you really want good answers on this subject, you need to post this in the history section. I stand by what i said, this entire thread is flawed, you arent taking in the conditions of todays envoirment. If you want to turn this into one of youre veiled windups at mayweather fans, then i see why you posted this here and not the history section. Thats the only purpose you serve here.

The difference is its the sport of cycling that was asking lance for a test, it was congress that was asking mcgwire about his steroid use. Not a fighter trying to dictate which tests & at what time they should take it.

Lance's sport asked him to take the tests. Not his competitors who dictate which test lance should take like mayweather is doing to pacquiao.

There is tests in boxing. there are commissions in boxing that asks this question. Not the fighter or a individual competitor.

Mark mcgwire ducked the congressional hearing on steroids question. Pacquiao has agreed to a test not required in his sport, but to a certain extent.

[Doctor_Tenma]

So then,

why are you posting in here?

The question was laid out specifically.


Now, you can try answering it as such, or just buzz off.

Take your pick.

Very ******* of you. That is all you read right?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Very ******* of you. That is all you read right?

He said he didn't care about what the thread was about,

so why read the rest?