Does the 10-day Difference in Testing Warrant PBF's Refusal to Accept Fight Deal?

[V.WEBB]

She just showed that he is not a boxing fan.

I knew that a LOOOOOOOONG time ago.

[F l i c k e r]

You haven't answered my question. Here it is again:

Do you think PBF's refusal to accept the 24-day cutoff reasonable? Why?

No. Its not reasonable. Why? Because the time that he begins the PED use is during his training camp leading up to the fight. So they test him before he enters his training camp, you get a negative test. Then while he is in training camp, he takes all his juice and gets his results. Then comes to fight all hopped up on roids.

Now you give him a ******ed time, like "14 days". Then while he is in training camp, he gets his drug test, he will test positive. Why? because he was taking the PEDs during his training camp.

This is only if Pacquiao takes steroids. If he doesn't Pacquiao shouldn't give a **** about taking any tests. The only time he should care is the day of the fight because it supposedly makes him feel "weaker" when he gets his blood drawn.

Yet, Arum killed the fight even though Mayweather agreed to meet in the middle of 14 days. I got nothing against Pacman, I even betted on him against Cotto. But something is fishy in his camp..

[Nuurzhaelan]

Explain this genius:
Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-...ine-test_N.htm

And this:
This article is based on this (facts)
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...files/hgh.html

Quote: USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:

A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.
There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

And this:
"Olympic Tests Have Never Detected HGH in an Athlete: USADA Backs Urine"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...da-backs-urine

From the article you evidently did NOT read:

Widespread adoption of the test probably would depend on lengthy scientific reviews by anti-doping authorities, leagues and players unions. World Anti-Doping Agency representatives had a conference call with Ceres officials last week, WADA spokesman Frederic Donze says.

And this would explain the 24 days:

The researchers developed a particle about one-tenth the size of a red blood cell that attracts, traps and protects HGH molecules, according to George Mason research professor Alessandra Luchini. The particles surround nearly 100% of the HGH molecules and act as an amplifier, so available testing equipment can detect the synthetic hormone.

Dunlap said the test can detect HGH two weeks after an athlete has last used it. Current blood screening for HGH, set to be used again at the Beijing Olympics, can identify HGH 24-48 hours after an athlete's last use.

But, heh, they are not even in use yet, are they?

"If this proves to be a reliable test, this would be tremendously helpful," says Drug Free Sport President Frank Uryasz, whose company runs the NCAA's drug testing program.


The second article substantially states that the use of HGH is best applied in a synergetic way with other drugs and it is inconvenient and that there is no tested dosage.

The last article suggests that piss test is already approved by the boxing federations and the athletic commissions where the contest is to take place. Is the test approved by the commissions and federations?

[Spacey1991]

You haven't answered my question. Here it is again:

Do you think PBF's refusal to accept the 24-day cutoff reasonable? Why?

Yes I do, as I explained before...

Floyd wanted 0 days before the fight, Manny wanted 30... Floyd offered 14 meeting imbetween... thats reasonable and improvising... Arum said 24... I think Floyd has right saying no and that he wanted 14 cause at the end of the day he was offering to budge half way.

I explained this earlier in the thread, just not directly... but I guess you can't add 1 and 2 together.

DO YOU think PBFs compromise of meeting in the middle of 14 days is reasonable?

I've tried it, it don't work for her... she just ignores all of the reasonable answers we are giving her and keeps asking her dumb question, even though its common sense that it can be flipped around to Team Pacquiao... she needs to stop riding Manny's ****.

At least one good thing will happen when Manny retires... people like Lady Fan will stop watching the sport. No reasoning, No improvisation, No objection, No unbiased view at all.

No, the Pacman was subjected to an all out "Smear Campaign" by Mayweather and Associates. And yet after all of that, he was still gracious enough to compromise to the 24-day cutoff time table. Manny is essentially bending over backwards for 'Lil Floyd but it seems that Jr. is being a total "Drama Queen" and just turning this whole negotiation process into a circus act. It's pathetic to see such a highly confident and arrogant fighter in Mayweather refusing to "Man UP" and just sign the contract.

Pacquiao compromising more? When Floyd offered to budge 14 days on what he wanted initially and Team Pacquiao offered to budge 6? Are you ****ing for real? Are you this much of an idiot not to realise that the exact question your asking can be flipped the other way round.

Your saying Floyd being a drama queen, I see Team Pacquiao doing the same thing... "I don't want an injection of blood taken 2 WEEKS before the fight because it will weaken me", that shouts drama queen to me.

Stop contradicting yourself, stop being a hypocrite... in fact, just do us all a favor and stop watching the sport.

She just showed that he is not a boxing fan.

Ages ago... I asked her what other fighters she was a fan of... she said Amir Khan (Roach's fighter, surprise there) and then I said... is that it? She replied "Yeah pretty much, Darchinyan is kinda fun to watch too"... nobody has to believe me... cause I can't be arsed to try to dig up the quote, but I remember it happening, it was ages ago though... its just comes straight to mind as soon as shes being biased.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Man, you know who's in the right when Reed agrees, hes the most objective here... hes given Floyd crap in the past saying he should of fought Cotto and Margarito... even he admits that Floyds team are in the right here.

More speculation again. You are not Pacquiao. You do not know how he feels after a test.

Rumors? When will you guys ever get "Real" hard evidence and present them?

You cannot argue with speculation, innuendos and rumors in order to validate your stance on an issue. It won't work.

Yeah cause an injection of blood is going to weaken Manny for a whole 14 days... ****inghell he might not even have the blood withdrawn exactly 14 days before the fight, its randomly anytime before that date.

Roach knows hit fighter more than anybody, Pacquiao is like his ****ing son... and even he says Manny feels weak for A FEW DAYS, not at least 2 weeks...

[Spacey1991]

Anyway, it seems to me that its becoming more and more clear that its Arum who has killed the fight... nobody else, I don't hold Manny at blame.

[THE REED]

Well, 83 % agree with 14 days... so uh, yeah.

[Spacey1991]

Well, 83 % agree with 14 days... so uh, yeah.

And this is on a forum where most people agree with Manny for the sake of it. Just saying...