Does the 10-day Difference in Testing Warrant PBF's Refusal to Accept Fight Deal?

[V.WEBB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian 28
Sign the fight. NO EXCUSES.



The last we all heard, 'Lil Floyd refused to sign.

that was the one of the last LIES we heard.

wake up

[V.WEBB]

Im sliding from this thread..the poll speaks for itself

[Foodie One]

14 days out will make him feel weak? Roach himself said that 5 days from the fight is enough for Pac so why would 14 days now be this huge physical drain?

I believe that Trainer Roach spoke out of turn and did not convey what the Pacman's true feelings are with regards to the drug testing. Things like that will happen. Spur of the moment thoughts under pressure may be taken out of context.

[B u r n e r]

I believe that Trainer Roach spoke out of turn and did not convey what the Pacman's true feelings are with regards to the drug testing. Things like that will happen. Spur of the moment thoughts under pressure may be taken out of context.

Oh like this one:

"We'll pass any test in the world"

Freddie Roach

[Mr. Chago]

"If they give me a 5-day window or something like that I have no problem with it," Roach said. "When they've drawn blood from Manny in the past he feels weaker for three or four days. It may be mental, but it's there."

Floyd offered 14 days.

Sign the fight. NO EXCUSES.

14 days it´s FAIR.................

[Spacey1991]

I believe that Trainer Roach spoke out of turn and did not convey what the Pacman's true feelings are with regards to the drug testing. Things like that will happen. Spur of the moment thoughts under pressure may be taken out of context.

Roach has a bigger say in these things than you think, he was the one who decided 145 for Cotto remember? He does have a much bigger say than your making out.

First of all, concessions were already made to "Accomodate" Pretty Boy's "Whims and Wishes." The Pacman has his own beliefs in the blood testing that Jr. is "UNWILLING" to afford him.

Secondly, Do you honestly think that the Pacman will be that much "Stronger and Invincible" if the 24-day cutoff is used as opposed to the 14-day cutoff? Hahaha... Once again, What is 'Lil Floyd afraid of? He should just agree to the 24-day term and quit being a total "Drama Queen."

You could reverse every single thing you said and put Team Pacquiao instead of Mayweather and 14 days instead of 24.

Floyd was offering to meet half-way, Floyd was willing to budge more... Floyd was being more reasonable.

Squeal Piggy, the Pacman doesn't want to be tested too close to the fight due to his reason that it makes him feel weak. Why do you and the other detractors not accept this fact?

Cause it isn't a fact... you have a pint of blood withdrawn and gain the blood back within 24 hours... as if one injection of blood is gonna weaken him for 14 days... anyway it seems to be that Arum has rejected... there are rumors that Manny hasn't even been told about 14 days.

Roach knows his fighter more than anyone and even he said it was just for a few days...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian 28
Sign the fight. NO EXCUSES.



The last we all heard, 'Lil Floyd refused to sign.

The last we heard Team Pacquiao refused to meet half way and say 14 days, see what I mean... every little thing your saying can be flipped around.

I've answered your question. Now I'll wait for you to answer my original question.

I answered earlier on in the thread I think you'd find.

[Foodie One]

I will answer:

I think that the ****ty rules in place for ped testing in boxing almost invite cheating as they are too easy to evade. There really should be worldwide, cross-federation acceptance of sophisticated and standardized tests to really try to weed out cheaters. I do not think it is necessarily fair that Pacquiao is under so much pressure to take the test. But for you and anyone else to suggest that the court of public opinion...you know, the fans who pay for this entertainment...does not matter is ludicrous. There have been too many cheaters in the past (drugs, bricks, headbutting, wrestling) and it needs to stop.

If you think Pacquiao is too good to be humble enough to accept that someone has questioned his integrity, then bravo for you. The rest of us want him to pave the way to boxing taking a different stance on this crap. I would truly marvel at the humility and integrity of Pacquiao if he acquiesced, but he appears to be as intractable and fallible as every other mortal.

You and every other Pacquiao fan need to accept that, fair or not, his reputation has been called into question. The only way to absolve him of any wrongdoing is to take the test. If he does, THEN you would have ample leverage to extol him for being this or that or whatever else. If Pacquiao WINS after taking the test, I do not believe anyone would question his greatness.

Can you understand that, or is your head still in the sand?

Explain this genius:
Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-...ine-test_N.htm

And this:
This article is based on this (facts)
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...files/hgh.html

Quote: USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:

A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.
There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

And this:
"Olympic Tests Have Never Detected HGH in an Athlete: USADA Backs Urine"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...da-backs-urine

[THE REED]

"If they give me a 5-day window or something like that I have no problem with it," Roach said. "When they've drawn blood from Manny in the past he feels weaker for three or four days. It may be mental, but it's there."

Floyd offered 14 days.

Sign the fight. NO EXCUSES.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Foodie One]

Cause it isn't a fact... you have a pint of blood withdrawn and gain the blood back within 24 hours... as if one injection of blood is gonna weaken him for 14 days... anyway it seems to be that Arum has rejected... there are rumors that Manny hasn't even been told about 14 days.

Roach knows his fighter more than anyone and even he said it was just for a few days...

More speculation again. You are not Pacquiao. You do not know how he feels after a test.

Rumors? When will you guys ever get "Real" hard evidence and present them?

You cannot argue with speculation, innuendos and rumors in order to validate your stance on an issue. It won't work.

[Foodie One]

This goes two ways really, you could flip it around and change Mayweather to team Pacquiao really... they've dissagreed just as much as anybody.

I feel 14 days is reasonable, because Pacquiao initially wanted 30 days... and Floyd wanted 0... Floyd budged to 14 days before the fight... that's offering Team Pacquiao to meet him half way, which I think is reasonable.

At the end of the day... Team Pacquiao has offered to budge 6 days and Team Mayweather offered to budge 14 days, offering them to meet in the middle.

As I said, both are to blame to a certain extent... 14 days is very reasonable and like I said for the 3rd time is offering them to meet halfway, I think Team Pacquiao should accept this... however Floyd started this blood testing thing in the first place which hasn't helped (even though IMO its a good idea).

You haven't answered my question. Here it is again:

Do you think PBF's refusal to accept the 24-day cutoff reasonable? Why?