Mayweather Suffers Pacquiao Blood Backlash

[Foodie One]

What so asking for better drug testing shouldn't be tolerated? Reassuring fair play is in order in a very rough sport shouldn't be tolerated? Random blood/urine testing would be good for the sport and clean it up, I think both sides could be more leniant, for example... have the random blood testing just not 7-10 days before the fight.

Why do you care about the lawsuit so much? What happened to people saying "what happens in the ring is only what matters, **** there personal life"... loads of people are showing hypocrisy. Oh, and so are you by the way, since you are bashing Floyd for asking for better drug testing claiming he's trying to damage somebodies reputation and take away his achievements... when a couple of months back you made a thread implying you think somebody paid JMM off to take a dive against Floyd, now your trying to take away his achievements... how hypocritical of you.





I'm sorry Mak...



What, asking for better blood tests that both athletes will take to reassure both sides aren't cheating, in a rough sport... which if used in more fights would be great for the sport and help clean the sport up?

Manny and his team helped damage his own reputation when claiming that him being afraid of needles is a reasonable excuse that he doesn't want to take the test, your just blaming Floyd but Manny has done half the damage himself.

Once again, I am speaking objectively... your not... I can see where both sides are coming from to an extent and think it should be negotiated to take the tests but that blood shouldn't be withdrawn 7-10 days before the fight.

Manny could genuinly prove all these guys wrong by taking the test and coming up clean... and I don't see why he don't sue Paulie too, I mean... he has been throwing the accusations around much more boldly than Floyd Jr. has.

Better Drug Testing? Be honest, this issue would not have crossed your mind if it weren't for the "Smear Campaign" instigated by Mayweather and Associates. You are apparently jumping onto Team Mayweather's "Sinking Ship" because you are a Floyd supporter. It's okay Spacey, this is expected of you but I see that you are turning a "Blind Eye" to a lot of facts which you do not want to address or even refute. JAT

Please read carefully and refute if you can:

This article is based on this (facts)
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...files/hgh.html

Quote: USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:


A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.
There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

[Sugar Jay]

The difference lies in the fact that you don't go to the extreme of starting a "Smear Campaign" against a fighter in order to inspect "Hand wraps."

Are you for real? You are throwing in senseless arguments which don't even address the true reason behind the Mayweather and Associates debacle.

Pacquiao's reputation is being harmed by the callous actions of Mayweather and Associates and you're either being naive or just plain blinded to this fact. Once again, you have no personal experience in a situation like this so you wouldn't know what it's like to be publicly defamed. Sorry but you can't be taken seriously. Nice try though. JAT

How do you know floyd is lying??? Manny hasnt taking the test so youre going off your fanatic mind....pacquia is harming his own reputation by saying no...if hes so worried about his reputation then why doesnt he just take it???

i cant be taken serious but youre the one acting like you know manny...**** outta here...

[RockStar45]

A lot of the more casual fans I know (basically everyone I know) think Floyd is looking for a way out of the fight, but they think it's ridiculous how Manny is refusing to take the tests.

Both guys are looking bad here.

[Spacey1991]

Better Drug Testing? Be honest, this issue would not have crossed your mind if it weren't for the "Smear Campaign" instigated by Mayweather and Associates. You are apparently jumping onto Team Mayweather's "Sinking Ship" because you are a Floyd supporter. It's okay Spacey, this is expected of you but I see that you are turning a "Blind Eye" to a lot of facts which you do not want to address or even refute. JAT

Please read carefully and refute if you can:

This article is based on this (facts)
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...files/hgh.html

Quote: USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:


A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.
There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

First off, I am NEVER trusting anything from PhilBoxing, they are biased beyong belief. However, I do think its a decent source saying about the out of compeition testing, but at the end of the day, Manny is completely going against it... so he isn't giving the opportunity for any kinda of negotiation to happen.

Anyway, there are also articles from that Conte guy who has had a huge history on steroids and knows than inside and out who has said they can be out of your system by a few days, that article has him giving facts that you have also ignored. There are also articles saying that some PED's can only be detected through blood tests.

And its expected of you to jump on the Manny bandwagon because you worship him basically because he is Filipino. I know that I never gave it a thought, but that doesn't take away the fact that its a good idea... ****, just because I didn't think about it doesn't mean its no good. I never thought about creating the internet... but that doesn't take away that its a brilliant idea.

The difference between me and you is, I actually appreciate both fighters and try to talk objectively, unlike you.

[cortdawg25]

Or how about Floyd drop the Blood test so we he can fight for 40 mil. Cause everyone believe that Pac is clean anyway.



It goes both ways..

It don't go both ways bruh....Floyd ain't talking about not fighting. and everybody don't think Pacquaio is clean evidently.


floyd done all he could do for 40M, manny has doen all he could do to not get 40M.

it ain't nothign wrong with having your opponent take blood test or illegal substance whether they have a history or not. Something is wrong with not agreeing to give a blood test

[Foodie One]

How do you know floyd is lying??? Manny hasnt taking the test so youre going off your fanatic mind....pacquia is harming his own reputation by saying no...if hes so worried about his reputation then why doesnt he just take it???

Pacquiao isn't refusing to take tests. The issue lies in the timing of them. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? You're ranting on without a clue and in the mean time are being disrespectful. Here, read this and refute it if you can. Maybe you'll learn something "true" about steroids and not just tag along with other clueless people who don't really know what they are talking about. JAT

This article is based on this (facts)

http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com/steroid-profiles/hgh.html

Quote: USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:


A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.
There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

[Foodie One]

First off, I am NEVER trusting anything from PhilBoxing, they are biased beyong belief. However, I do think its a decent source saying about the out of compeition testing, but at the end of the day, Manny is completely going against it... so he isn't giving the opportunity for any kinda of negotiation to happen.

Anyway, there are also articles from that Conte guy who has had a huge history on steroids and knows than inside and out who has said they can be out of your system by a few days, that article has him giving facts that you have also ignored. There are also articles saying that some PED's can only be detected through blood tests.

And its expected of you to jump on the Manny bandwagon because you worship him basically because he is Filipino. I know that I never gave it a thought, but that doesn't take away the fact that its a good idea... ****, just because I didn't think about it doesn't mean its no good. I never thought about creating the internet... but that doesn't take away that its a brilliant idea.

The difference between me and you is, I actually appreciate both fighters and try to talk objectively, unlike you.

You don't have to take the word of "PhilBoxing.com" The Steroid guide gives you all the info you need to figure out that the article posted in PhilBoxing.com is true and correct.

[American Dream]

::what happened to the "why did I click on this link" smilie::....

[FLY TY]

I would say that Team Pacquiao lawyers advised them to change their position and pursue a defamation lawsuit in order to send a strong message to Mayweather and Associates that their "Smear Campaign" will not be tolerated. Now, Floyd Sr. and cohorts will be held accountable for their pathetic actions. JAT

well a 75,000 lawsuit isn't a "STRONG" message....

So by logic its Floyd fault that manny dont want to take the blood test. There for stopping the fight.

Correct?

that's some **** isn't it?

40 MILLION or no Blood Test.....do u really even have to think about it?

only the guilty or illogical would choose a no random blood test stance....we talking 40 M!!!!

exactly.

Or how about Floyd drop the Blood test so we he can fight for 40 mil. Cause everyone believe that Pac is clean anyway.

It goes both ways..

no, YOU believe he is clean.....after this whole fiasco, most "objective" observers really don't know what to believe.....like dude said, only the guilty or illogical throw away a 40 million dollar payday over a drug test...

[Tsukiyomi]

If Floyd is crusading for the cleanliness of boxing, then why wait for this fight to bring it up? There are no legitimate reasons to suspect Manny of being on PEDs, the only 'evidence' is that he is winning in dominating fashion, and his team's baseless speculation.

People are dismissing the mental aspect of boxing. Floyd is attempting to get under the skin of his opponent and force his opponent to do something that makes him uncomfortable leading into the day of the fight.

I want to see this fight, but if Manny is not comfortable with getting his blood taken that close to fight, and it furthermore is unnecessary, then he is doing right thing by not letting himself be tooled by Mayweather.