Comments Thread For: Mayweather Will Have To Drop Demands To Get Pacquiao

[Hotbox2]

sorry bro everyone knows floyd is a ducker and will continue to be one untill he mans up. did you know that the last time pac lost to morales he had to be forced to take two blood tests before the fight because of an error which he said made him feel weak. floyd wants to weaken pac or has an excuse to duck a fight.floyd trying to cover all the bases again.

Goes to show you how much or what you know! I can see you are just a floyd hater, im sure you're most likely asian or white. Look at the pic you posted of manny throwing a punch. I wouldn't be proud to put up that photo, look at how he throws such amateur punches that sorry ass roach didn't correct. Look where the right hand is at...You DUMB ass! Why do you have an excuse for why Manny lost but all the other guys that manny beat they have legitimate excuses because of Manny's catchweight demands? Manny is a sorry ass fighter and your a sorry ass fan!!

[reynoldsaniana]

Jesus Manny and Arum are pissing me off.

A chronological order of events (as i see it):

- Mayweather announces his comeback before the Ricky Hatton v Pacman (at their presser) fight against none other than....you guessed it JMM. Likely a premeditated call out by JMM and GBP.

- Pac dominates Hatton

- Floyd domintaes JMM

- Hype for PBF vs Pac begins.

- Pac beats Cotto. Mayweather Sr is ringside to assess the fight first hand. Its around this time Sr becomes more vocal re Pac and PED's.

- Immedietely after the cotto vs pac fight PBF is on british tv talking about how easy he will whip Pac for a full 30 minutes.

- Mayweather and crew ask golden boy to get the ball rolling on a fight. Ellerbe, Haymon and Floyd recuse themselves from direct negotiations with Arum and team to avoid bad blood.

- An initial date is slated in May to coincide with Cinco de Mayo. Roach runs his mouth about his belief Mayweather will be difficult in negotiations and will price himself out of the fight. He thinks Manny will need to change his style to be ready for Mayweather and quote " needs Pac to see what i see."

- Date is rejected by Pac, given his desire to run for a congressional seat in native Phillipines.

- A March 13th date is floated by Top Rank (correct me if im wrong on that 1). Roach runs his mouth saying Floyd will not accept that date so they have a fight with Foreman lined up @ 154.

- Mayweather accepts the date. Roach runs his mouth some more about how he would like Manny to have more time to prepare for Floyds style and how the fight will not go ahead if Floyd is even 1 pound heavier than 147 limit.

- Contract negotiations become more in depth. The weight of 147 is agreed upon, as is standard 8 oz gloves for the fight. Fighters can choose the brand.
Billing is also negotiated with Mayweathers name first for promotional purposes. 50/50 is also agreed upon fairly quickly.

- Random USADA testing is requested by GBP as a contract clause in the fight for both fighters. Things go pear shaped very quickly from this point onwards. Top Rank and Pac immedietely decline citing various reasons. Top Ranks wants a $10 mil per pound penalty for each pound over 147 limit. Team May promptly accepts.

side note: some have stated randomised testing was included in the initial draft of contract negotiations. I'm not sure if thats true---> link from someone would be useful.


Reasons cited by team Pac members to justify refusal of testing:

- Manny is afraid of needles. This is quickly debunked give his tattoos (apparently he snacks whilst getting new artwork) and calm demeanour in giving blood previously.

- Manny is superstitious and beleives giving blood so close to a fight will weaken him. Apparently he believes this so much he needs a 30 day window of no blood testing to recover. Note: he gave blood 14-24 days prior to Hatton fight. Essentially they want a set schedule.

- Roach says it will be disruptive to training. Does he know other athletes get tested mid competition??

- Ariza (in all his wisdom) comes out and says Manny has no idea what he is being given and he takes full responsibility for all that Pac takes.

- etc etc.

- Pac files a lawsuit for defamation/slander/blah/blah blah against Floyd sr, Floyd jr and GBP.


- Top Rank starts lining up Malignaggi as a potential opponent for Pac even though he has been very vocal in his belieft that Manny is on PED's.

- in the last few days Lining up Foreman @ 154 like the original plan

- Team mayweather says they are willing to come to a compromise on cut-off days + testing agency....as long as testing is random in nature.

- Team Pac's response......for the fight to happen they need to drop random blood testing and apologise to Pac.



My interpretation of these events:

Everything Mayweather has done since coming out of retirement has been an effort to build a big money fight with Pac. Choice of opponents and timing of interviews and announcements is testament to this......as is his quick acceptance of terms floted by team Pac.

Pac given his actions either:

- does not want to fight floyd at all.

- is taking something he maybe should not be and does not want to fight anyone if random testing is involved.

- OR is even more of a diva and childish than mayweather is (a feat no one would think is possible) and spits the dummy if he does not get his own way each and every time.



I would like to point out i am a PBF fan so my interpretation may have some inherent bias....but still think it is reasnoably objective and the conclusions i have drawn are pretty clear @ this point given the actions of both Team May and team Pac.

objective? cmon dude, i have the feeling that it's floyd jr. himself writing the blog.

[Haglerwins]

And many have also lost , what Im pointing out is the vagueness of the crucial elements and how what was said can be rolled into all sorts of defenses , Manny does not have this sure fire winner that many in here think , its a flaky case you can bet will get dirty and the Mayweathers and GBP combined have some kinda bankroll that could eat Manny alive .

I personally think Manny just spat the dummy without looking at the entire situation .

But time will reveal all .

Sr. implied Manny was on a illegal substance in a Sports Illustrated Interview. He didn't frame it as opinion. He accused him and insinuated to use. Now the first time May Sr. opened his mouth on camera about this, he first covered by stating it was opinion before going forward. He did good there, not here though.

Roger was even worse. He and Richard Schaefer probably have the worst quotes attributed to this. Roger was quoted as saying he knows Pac is doing roids. That's libel man and it definitely qualifies as evidence in a Per Se Defamation case.

[mazdaru]

Frankly, I think, more than the fear of needles or supersition, this is about Manny's pride. He doesnt want to be pushed around in negotiations. I remember the Hatton negotiations almost did not push through because of the absurd demand by Manny. I bet if Mayweather gave him 55% of the purse to do random blood testing, he would do it.

no it wouldnt. he doesnt want to do random testing at all

[fcastro1]

Goes to show you how much or what you know! I can see you are just a floyd hater, im sure you're most likely asian or white. Look at the pic you posted of manny throwing a punch. I wouldn't be proud to put up that photo, look at how he throws such amateur punches that sorry ass roach didn't correct. Look where the right hand is at...You DUMB ass! Why do you have an excuse for why Manny lost but all the other guys that manny beat they have legitimate excuses because of Manny's catchweight demands? Manny is a sorry ass fighter and your a sorry ass fan!!

floyd wants an advantage before he fights thats his style. why dont you look at some articles and interviews of pac about the tests with floyd and the morales episode, and the reason he doesn't want to take the tests before the fight its a perfectly good excuse to me. why should floyd get anytype of advantage considering he is bigger and has the reach.

floyd the ducker will always be one to the real boxing fan untill he mans up.

[check hook]

sorry bro everyone knows floyd is a ducker and will continue to be one untill he mans up. did you know that the last time pac lost to morales he had to be forced to take two blood tests before the fight because of an error which he said made him feel weak. floyd wants to weaken pac or has an excuse to duck a fight.floyd trying to cover all the bases again.

Haha.....GTFO.....add something constructive...not just a bunch of statements not matched with fact or logic.

[TOBYLEE1]

If you notice the Pac camp never mentions Paulie which has said on file that Pac is on something and is part of the lawsuit. I guess going after Paulie in court doesn't have as much public airtime as they would like.

The only basis on this on the Pac side would be since he is running for public office he would need this contraversy to settle down. If he took the test within reason it would be more beneficial and would speak volumes of him. Fighting this thing and taking it to court is fueling it more and more and is not helping his cause.

[fcastro1]

Haha.....GTFO.....add something constructive...not just a bunch of statements not matched with fact or logic.

yeah like pac is on steroids without any evidence. i think you just owned yourself.

[check hook]

objective? cmon dude, i have the feeling that it's floyd jr. himself writing the blog.

rebuttal then?....with some logic + fact to back it up. Bottom line is i read all the comments on here defending pac and quite frankly as a floyd fan i can come up with way better + more logical arguments in favour of Pac than the posters on here do.

[TOBYLEE1]

floyd wants an advantage before he fights thats his style. why dont you look at some articles and interviews of pac about the tests with floyd and the morales episode, and the reason he doesn't want to take the tests before the fight its a perfectly good excuse to me. why should floyd get anytype of advantage considering he is bigger and has the reach.

floyd the ducker will always be one to the real boxing fan untill he mans up.

But it was alright with you that the Pac camp dictated the Cotto fight with every concesion that only benefitted Pac?