Pac fans, which is better?

[Red_Menace]

I don't get why people act so surprise to find out Pac has a huge ego... This man twice demanded a bigger share of the purse split against Hatton and Oscar. Yes he has an ego and yes he is not going to let Floyd demand ****. That is how he is, he feels he is the man, and he is running ****. But, at the end what I don't get is why everybody is upset at the boxer and not the commission? Is not Manny fault that the NSAC drug testing inadequate, nobody was complaining about the NSAC drug testing 2 months ago. Everybody was fine with Pac taking it 2 months ago. But, now is a big deal. If the commission had random blood testing in place we wouldn't be talking about this right now. Instead of focusing on the fighter why not focus on the commission? If us boxing fans are so upset about this. Why not send letters and emails to the commission demanding they get random blood testing as a mandatory. But, no fans don't want to that. Because, in reality fans don't care. They rather get in front of a computer and hate on a fighter or try to be in flame wars.

You're right. People should be demanding better from the commission, promoters, fighters and sanctioning bodies. The problem is boxing has a horrible rep already, so most sports fans don't care. It's easy to rally people against drugs in MLB, because MLB has a commission and a central authority. Boxing is a rag tag sport, with thousands of interested parties. How do you go after all of them? People are rallying against Pac because this story brought the issue to the forefront, and he is the one on the front line refusing the testing.

Pacs massive ego is not a good reason to refuse this kind of testing. It's a reason, but it isn't a good one.

[Mike Hawk]

Actually, there are things wrong with it, technically. They don't test for hGH and they notify the athletes ahead of time when they are going to collect samples. Doesn't sound like much, but it makes a big difference.

i agree, the latter is more flawed, but why go out of the ordinary if you dont want to. im not manny. if i was him i'd be fine with the tests. but manny is manny, its his decision, and im only defending him because he is not in the wrong in declining that particular request.

[Red_Menace]

i agree, the latter is more flawed, but why go out of the ordinary if you dont want to. im not manny. if i was him i'd be fine with the tests. but manny is manny, its his decision, and im only defending him because he is not in the wrong in declining that particular request.

I think he has the right to refuse, but I think it's the wrong choice. Possibly not the wrong choice for him, but in the bigger picture it is the wrong choice. It is the wrong choice for the sport as a whole.

[jrosales13]

You're right. People should be demanding better from the commission, promoters, fighters and sanctioning bodies. The problem is boxing has a horrible rep already, so most sports fans don't care. It's easy to rally people against drugs in MLB, because MLB has a commission and a central authority. Boxing is a rag tag sport, with thousands of interested parties. How do you go after all of them? People are rallying against Pac because this story brought the issue to the forefront, and he is the one on the front line refusing the testing.

Pacs massive ego is not a good reason to refuse this kind of testing. It's a reason, but it isn't a good one.

You are saying is not a good reason because is not you... You know what I am saying. I don't care what nobody says. You grew up dirt poor You start fighting, you are clean, and you are working your ass off, you busting your ass to become great. And, from all that hard work you start KO'ing Mofo's out. And, now you getting fame. You get known around the World, you start making millions. You are set for life. And, you become Idol a legend. You are beloved. And, beautiful is giving you *****. And, you getting all this... Your ego is going to get bigger. Now a fighter comes asking you hey Red_Menace yea I know you passed all the mandatory drug tests but I want you to take this one. Are you telling me, you Red_Menace will you take it?

I am just saying put yourself in his shoes. Because, I think is easy from us to say yes just take the test because we are from a far. But. we not in there shoes. I just want you to place yourself in his position. With growing up dirt poor, with how everything evolved, and everything you accomplished, and you know damn well you did it clean. Will you do it? Honestly?

Because, honestly from me is hard to say. I would love for him to take it. But, then again I have not accomplished half the **** that he has. So his mindset is different from mined. I am looking at it from a far. So I try to put myself in his shoes, try to think like how he might think about all this, and honestly I could see how I might say, you know what fuck you Floyd fuck off. I could see where he is coming from...

[Mike Hawk]

I think he has the right to refuse, but I think it's the wrong choice. Possibly not the wrong choice for him, but in the bigger picture it is the wrong choice. It is the wrong choice for the sport as a whole.

honestly, i think the mays coming up with these allegations this way and this much was the wrong choice for the sport as a whole.

even if pac was on something, you dont steal another man's money and ruin the image of the most famous boxer out right now. sure, if you feel threatened by a potential cheater you should do something. but ruining the most famous boxer out ruins the image of boxing aswell. i highly doubt pac would be the only one on something if he was on something.