Pac fans, which is better?

**jrosales13** · 01-04-2010, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by cixthree

I've noticed in all this that Pac fans aren't too happy with USADA, but seem to be completely ok with NSAC. In just about comment and thread on the subject, they put USADA down like NSAC works better.
I don't think Manny is on "Steroids" because yes, the test boxing gives now would pick it up most the time. Urine samples used now would pick steroids up most the time. I say most the time because these test are scheduled and a person, IF they are cheating has time to cycle the drug out or mask it (agree?). But USADA takes blood and urine (just here me on this). I've done a lil reading on it and I've read that urine samples can't detect HGH or EPO but blood can. But, both HGH and EPO only stay with u for a short time (hence, random vs scheduled testing). So I've asked myself "why would a fan NOT be up for USADA doing the test but would prefer a lesser testing method".

Trust me, I've heard all the PR reasons (Pride, Honor, Not bowing, being weak) trust me I've heard all you've heard. But they all seem to steer clear of just answering the question "Why would you choose a lesser method?"

I'd just like your answers, don't just parrot uncle Bob, Freddy, Ariz and Pac.
Thanks

First of all urine can detect EPO but not HGH for the record...

Anyways who would not want random blood testing to become a mandatory. From what I read every fan does not have a problem with random blood test from the USADA or whoever as long as it is mandatory. That is really the big issue here is that is not mandatory. So Pac does not have to do a damn thing just cuz Floyd said so... That is all that it boils down to...

**Akinapepemo** · 01-04-2010, 01:07 AM

Well without getting too elaborate, the NSAC is the authority on the matter, certainly they have jurisdiction, not the USADA. that being said, they could use a thing or two from better tests and methods employed by the USADA.

**The Stone Roses** · 01-04-2010, 01:08 AM

if pacquiao can demand a 10 million penalty per pound over the weight limit it seems only fair that pacquiao accepts mayweathers request

**The Stone Roses** · 01-04-2010, 01:10 AM

also, the NSAC has nothing to do with it....these are apart of the negotiations just like the weight limit, glove size etc

**jrosales13** · 01-04-2010, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by The Stone Roses

if pacquiao can demand a 10 million penalty per pound over the weight limit it seems only fair that pacquiao accepts mayweathers request

Has Mayweather come overweight for a fight?

Has Pac failed a drug test.

**jrosales13** · 01-04-2010, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by The Stone Roses

also, the NSAC has nothing to do with it....these are apart of the negotiations just like the weight limit, glove size etc

Really? So the commission does not have a drug test in placed?

**cixthree** · 01-04-2010, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by jrosales13

First of all urine can detect EPO but not HGH for the record...

Anyways who would not want random blood testing to become a mandatory. From what I read every fan does not have a problem with random blood test from the USADA or whoever as long as it is mandatory. That is really the big issue here is that is not mandatory. So Pac does not have to do a damn thing just cuz Floyd said so... That is all that it boils down to...

but why even go there? Nothing else in the negotiation was a mandatory or commission problem. Ans if boxing were to use this method of testing, why don't the 2 biggest in the sport get it going? Its just very strange to me thw this is a problem. The commish had nothing o do with negotiations but Now?

**cherokee** · 01-04-2010, 01:27 AM

i thought the TS is calling for the pacfans

what's a ***** doing here?

to answer your question, it is pretty obvious that Manny will not submit to floyd for a lot of reasons already been discussed here repeatedly

but it seems that he is okay with NSAC. So as long as NSAC demands it I don't think Manny will have a problem. He just doesn't want to be someone's *****...

And I'm sure NSAC will find a compromise amenable to both parties like cut-off dates for example. Manny will never agree on blood drawn from him close to the fight, NSAC can forget that

**Red_Menace** · 01-04-2010, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by jrosales13

First of all urine can detect EPO but not HGH for the record...

Anyways who would not want random blood testing to become a mandatory. From what I read every fan does not have a problem with random blood test from the USADA or whoever as long as it is mandatory. That is really the big issue here is that is not mandatory. So Pac does not have to do a damn thing just cuz Floyd said so... That is all that it boils down to...

So basically this all boils down to Pac having a fragile ego? He needs to know he's the one in charge and calling all the shots. That's what this is?

You're right about the urine test.

Pac fans, which is better?