Why a blood test would effect Pacquiao more than Mayweather..

[jqSide]

So according to the TS.........Pac is weak minded, ******ed, cowardly mental midget???

Ducking fights is cowardly. Demanding rules outside of boxing confirms it.

[thatnickuh]

I hear the same bull**** over and over from narrow minded Floyd fans or as I call them (The John Birch Society) saying that Mayweather is going through the same tests Pacquiao is so it would effect them equally.

Well, if they actual took time to get their heads out of their ass and breath some fresh air they would know that it isn't the amount of blood being withdrawn or the physical effects of it.. it's the mental.

See Pacquiao, unlike Mayweather, believes getting blood extracted weakens him and he believes this strongly since he had blood extracted days before the Morales fight which he lost. Personally, I think Morales was the better man.. Pacquiao in his head however doesn't think so.

Mayweather is confident he will be ok with the tests.. since he believes in them.
Pacquiao doesn't and therefor doubts it.

You ever gave a child Flindstones tablets and told them.. they could run, jump and play stronger and faster because of it? They went out there thinking they were superman and therefor performed better because of it. This is pretty much the same damn thing. Only difference is it involves something weakening you rather than making you stronger and it's between two adults.

So we should all sympathize with Pacquiao because he's a ****ing idiot? Sorry, I can't do that. I honestly don't believe that Pacquiao really believes that having blood drawn for a blood test will weaken him. I think it's just a weak excuse. However, if you are among the people who believe this then you must also believe that Pacquiao is an idiot who just doesn't know any better. Whether he really believes that or not, anybody with common sense knows that it's not true. So why should any one give him a pass for refusing random blood testing because of some nonsense he may believe?

Ducking fights is cowardly. Demanding rules outside of boxing confirms it.

Like the ten million dollar penalty for being overwight "rule" that Pacquiao demanded?

[jqSide]

So we should all sympathize with Pacquiao because he's a ****ing idiot? Sorry, I can't do that. I honestly don't believe that Pacquiao really believes that having blood drawn for a blood test will weaken him. I think it's just a weak excuse. However, if you are among the people who believe this then you must also believe that Pacquiao is an idiot who just doesn't know any better. Whether he really believes that or not, anybody with common sense knows that it's not true. So why should any one give him a pass for refusing random blood testing because of some nonsense he may believe?

If I were Pac I won't even give idiots any excuse on anything. Floyd is scared. Point all your fingers to his ridiculous demands. I've seen tapes of boxers who were caught on steroids and I wasn't impressed. This steroid thing is blown out of proportion. For once, you people should point your fingers to your idol who started all this crap.

[thatnickuh]

If I were Pac I won't even give idiots any excuse on anything. Floyd is scared. Point all your fingers to his ridiculous demands. I've seen tapes of boxers who were caught on steroids and I wasn't impressed. This steroid thing is blown out of proportion. For once, you people should point your fingers to your idol who started all this crap.

You people can keep saying that Mayweather is scared all you want, but the the facts of life say otherwise. Pacquiao is the one who has walked away from the negotiating table, not Mayweather. Stop being such a Pacquiao cheerleader and try to look at this objectively. Judging by your comments, I doubt that's even possible. You don't seem to care if the fight gets made or not. As a matter of fact, the majority of you Pacquiao groupies here seem to be perfectly fine with Pacquiao turning this fight down. That's evidence of fear in my opinion. If you Pacquiao groupies really believed that Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao and that Pacquiao is clean like he says, then you should all be begging him to take the tests and whoop Mayweather in the ring for the entire world to see.

If the situation was reversed, I surely would be looking at Mayweather funny as if he has something to hide.

[rommel357]

First it was he'll take any test, anytime, anywhere.

Then, it was he's afraid of needles.

Then, it was that he's superstitious.

Then, it was that "He has no idea what he takes."

Then, it was that it's too close to the fight to draw blood.

Then, it was that he becomes physically weak.

Now, it's that drawing blood weakens him mentally.

When will it ever end?

If my memory serves me right, Roach is the one that said "he's afraid of needles", Ariza is the one that said "he has no idea what he's taking", and Arum is the one that said "he's superstitious. The rest Manny did say. Either way, what's your point. Regardless of what excuses they're going to use, he's not taking the random blood test and definitely not too close to the fight, end of discussion. The issue now is what would be the compromise for both teams, instead of discussing the same old thing, find a way to compromise.

[jqSide]

You people can keep saying that Mayweather is scared all you want, but the the facts of life say otherwise. Pacquiao is the one who has walked away from the negotiating table, not Mayweather. Stop being such a Pacquiao cheerleader and try to look at this objectively. Judging by your comments, I doubt that's even possible. You don't seem to care if the fight gets made or not. As a matter of fact, the majority of you Pacquiao groupies here seem to be perfectly fine with Pacquiao turning this fight down. That's evidence of fear in my opinion. If you Pacquiao groupies really believed that Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao and that Pacquiao is clean like he says, then you should all be begging him to take the tests and whoop Mayweather in the ring for the entire world to see.

If the situation was reversed, I surely would be looking at Mayweather funny as if he has something to hide.

There's no way I would be bullied like that if I were Pac. Especially at this point in my career. Nope. If you think I'm using steroids, prove it! And please drop that 40 million argument, please! I have enough to sustain me till the day I die. Nope, I'm not going to let you push me around like that as if I've just beaten second class boxers. Do you want the fight or not? If yes, then stop this ****** ridiculous nonsense and abide by the existing rules that have been set for generations and generations.

Take it or leave it.

[thatnickuh]

There's no way I would be bullied like that if I were Pac. Especially at this point in my career. Nope. If you think I'm using steroids, prove it! And please drop that 40 million argument, please! I have enough to sustain me till the day I die. Nope, I'm not going to let you push me around like that as if I've just beaten second class boxers.

*NEWSFLASH*

YOU ARE NOT MANNY PACQUIAO.

Why are you taking Mayweather's request for more strict drug testing personally as if he has insulted your honor or something? Some of you have completely lost touch with reality. You all are supposed to be boxing fans, no? The majority of you act as if you're on Pacquiao's payroll. You all are more interested in protecting Pacquiao's feelings than you are about seeing him get in the ring with Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao is a professional athlete, fans shouldn't be concerned about his ego or pride being hurt because a potential opponent suspects him of using PEDs. It's 2010, PEDs play a huge role in all professional sports. Saying that Mayweather is bullying him or pushing him around because he's requesting stricter testing is ludicrous.

Do you want the fight or not? If yes, then stop this ****** ridiculous nonsense and abide by the existing rules that have been set for generations and generations.

Take it or leave it.

There are no set of rules that have existed in boxing for generations and generations. The rules in boxing are negotiated fight by fight. That's the point that I was making when I brought up Pacquiao's ten million dollar penalty request. Try to keep up man. You're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao fan-boy. Boxing fans want to see this fight happen and hope that the best man will win. Stricter testing would only go further to ensure that the fight will be fair and on an even playing field. Anybody who is against the more stringent testing is not a true boxing fan and has an agenda. It's as simple as that.

[jqSide]

*NEWSFLASH*

YOU ARE NOT MANNY PACQUIAO.

Why are you taking Mayweather's request for more strict drug testing personally as if he has insulted your honor or something? Some of you have completely lost touch with reality. You all are supposed to be boxing fans, no? The majority of you act as if you're on Pacquiao's payroll. You all are more interested in protecting Pacquiao's feelings than you are about seeing him get in the ring with Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao is a professional athlete, fans shouldn't be concerned about his ego or pride being hurt because a potential opponent suspects him of using PEDs. It's 2010, PEDs play a huge role in all professional sports. Saying that Mayweather is bullying him or pushing him around because he's requesting stricter testing is ludicrous.

There are no set of rules that have existed in boxing for generations and generations. The rules in boxing are negotiated fight by fight. That's the point that I was making when I brought up Pacquiao's ten million dollar penalty request. Try to keep up man. You're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao fan-boy. Boxing fans want to see this fight happen and hope that the best man will win. Stricter testing would only go further to ensure that the fight will be fair and on an even playing field. Anybody who is against the more stringent testing is not a true boxing fan and has an agenda. It's as simple as that.

OOOKay I'm not Pacquiao. How about this:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343326

ROY JONES JR SIDES WITH PACQUIAO: "I WOULDN'T TAKE ANY EXTRA TESTS!"
By G. Leon

GL: Are you aware of the ongoing crisis surrounding the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight? "Most definitely." GL: Do you have an opinion on it? "You could see Pacquiao's side, why should he change for Floyd? A fight don't start in the ring, it starts when the negotiation starts. If these are the rules, we're going to stick by the standard rules. On the other hand, I understand he's saying something been going on, but the problem with that is, if you're going to check him why didn't you check Marquez? Why didn't you make anybody else do it? It's kind of strange to call him out on this and nobody else."

GL: Do you see anything in Pacquiao that would lead you to feel su****ious?

RJ: "No. The kid is strong, he came up in weight and brought his stregth. Nowadays the testing is good enough, they got it to where you can't even take over the counter products. I can testify to that. The testing is very good right now and there's nothing he could really do that they can't find. Why make Pacquiao take the test and not anybody else?"

GL: Would you have made such a concession for John Ruiz or any of your other big fights?

RJ: "Hell naw. Why change the rules on me? Because I'm coming up in weight means I'm doing steroids? They're giving you a test for that anyway. It would be something that would aggravate me because then after I beat you, I was on something, don't play with me. Either you want to fight or you don't want to fight.

What part of that don't you understand?! Go ahead start shooting the messenger.

You people would gain more sympathy if you talk about something else like, "Floyd can beat the hell out of this guy" within the existing rules. "There's no way he (Pacquiao) would try risking using illegal substances in an event of this magnitude. It's simply crazy." "Floyd can beat him even if he's on roids."

Sadly, you keep insisting this bullcrap as if it's nothing serious.

[thatnickuh]

OOOKay I'm not Pacquiao. How about this:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343326

ROY JONES JR SIDES WITH PACQUIAO: "I WOULDN'T TAKE ANY EXTRA TESTS!"
By G. Leon

GL: Are you aware of the ongoing crisis surrounding the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight? "Most definitely." GL: Do you have an opinion on it? "You could see Pacquiao's side, why should he change for Floyd? A fight don't start in the ring, it starts when the negotiation starts. If these are the rules, we're going to stick by the standard rules. On the other hand, I understand he's saying something been going on, but the problem with that is, if you're going to check him why didn't you check Marquez? Why didn't you make anybody else do it? It's kind of strange to call him out on this and nobody else."

GL: Do you see anything in Pacquiao that would lead you to feel su****ious?

RJ: "No. The kid is strong, he came up in weight and brought his stregth. Nowadays the testing is good enough, they got it to where you can't even take over the counter products. I can testify to that. The testing is very good right now and there's nothing he could really do that they can't find. Why make Pacquiao take the test and not anybody else?"

GL: Would you have made such a concession for John Ruiz or any of your other big fights?

RJ: "Hell naw. Why change the rules on me? Because I'm coming up in weight means I'm doing steroids? They're giving you a test for that anyway. It would be something that would aggravate me because then after I beat you, I was on something, don't play with me. Either you want to fight or you don't want to fight.

What is the relevance of Roy Jones's opinion to our discussion? You're so busy cheerleading for Pacquiao, that you will champion anybody that sympathizes with Pacquiao ducking the random testing. No matter who it is. It's no surprise that a guy like Roy Jones Jr., who was caught dirty after one of his fights wouldn't agree to more stringent testing. Who are you going to quote next, Ben Johnson? Barry Bonds? I couldn't care less who wouldn't agree to more strict testing, I would be just as supicious of them as I now am of Pacquiao if they were in his position.

What part of that don't you understand?! Go ahead start shooting the messenger.

You people would gain more sympathy if you talk about something else like, "Floyd can beat the hell out of this guy" within the existing rules. "There's no way he (Pacquiao) would try risking using illegal substances in an event of this magnitude. It's simply crazy." "Floyd can beat him even if he's on roids."

Sadly, you keep insisting this bullcrap as if it's nothing serious.

I'm not the one that's looking for people to sympathize with either fighter, you and the rest of these Pacquiao fanatics are. The Pacquiao fan club is feeling sorry for Pacquiao because Mayweather has supposedly dishonored him. Now you all are trying to convince everybody else that we all should feel sorry for him and understand why he's walking away from the fight. "Poor little Pacquiao is being bullied and pushed around by the Mayweathers. How dare they believe that he is involved with PEDs. The nerve of them trying to protect their Floyd against a possible PED user." Sorry, I'm not buying that BS man. I don't feel sorry for either fighter, I just want to see the fight get made. Right now, Pacquiao is the one who is holding the fight up. He says that he's clean so there should be no problem with him taking the test and proving his doubters wrong. Him refusing to do so makles him look guilty. No amount of spin or groupie love is going to change that.

You people would gain more sympathy if you talk about something else like, "Floyd can beat the hell out of this guy" within the existing rules.

For the last time, stop making this dumb*ass excuse. There are no "existing rules". The rules for the fight were being negotiated until Pacquiao walked away from the negotiating table. Why is that so hard for you people to understand?

[Clint650]

Pac is a grown man. stop bs around this issue. a blood test might affect no athletes, and you may need to rst and have a donut, but for athletes it should go with the territory. hard training, weight control, diet....after all that your going to still tell me a blood test is going to be life or death? get real.