The Shoulder Roll: Toney or Mayweather?

[Andrew Cuff V2]

It sure is. Toney's best fight imo. Not many would have beat him on that night.

Yes!

Out of interest, how did you score the bouts with McCallum?

[TysonJones3]

That fight is a magnificent example of boxing skill.

Yes!

Out of interest, how did you score the bouts with McCallum?

I scored both the fights 115-113 in favor of Toney.

[Andrew Cuff V2]

I scored both the fights 115-113 in favor of Toney.

I had the first as a draw and the second by McCallum!

[TysonJones3]

I had the first as a draw and the second by McCallum!

I couldnt argue with those scores. They were both damn close in my opinion.

[Andrew Cuff V2]

I couldnt argue with those scores. They were both damn close in my opinion.

True. I found it hard to judge accurately as I'm a big fan of both too!

I thought the second fight was clearer due to McCallum improving markedly from the first.

Both excellent demonstrations of technical ability as well.

[DLT]

I use to always say Toney but Floyd has mastered that **** now. I wont be upset if you give it to Toney though. You have to take into account that saying one guy is better at the shoulder roll doesnt mean that he's better at defense. I think Floyd is clearly the best guy at defense. He can do alot of things defensively where as Toney only can do the shoulder roll. What Floyd did to JMM was amazing though. He made JMM look like an amature trying to hit him. Size aside, that **** was impressive as hell when you rewatch it

[tibbar]

Watch Toney vs Iran Barkley for the best demonstration of the shoulder roll. That said, Floyds mastered his craft and his record speaks for itself. I'd say floyd, but I'd also say floyds the better fighter overrall as well.

nah, hes a bettet boxer never a better fighter. hes not a fighter he doesnt fight.

[xAUGUSTUSx]

Who executes the shoulder roll more effectively?

Toney. Floyd's too nervous.

[TysonJones3]

True. I found it hard to judge accurately as I'm a big fan of both too!

I thought the second fight was clearer due to McCallum improving markedly from the first.

Both excellent demonstrations of technical ability as well.

Not to many fights are held at that level. Great boxing boxing purist to enjoy, for sure. Im a bigger toney fan so i may have been a little biased unintentionally.

[TysonJones3]

nah, hes a bettet boxer never a better fighter. hes not a fighter he doesnt fight.

I meant boxer, my mistake. That said, he does fight when he needs to, go watch his fights with both hernandez's, corrales, gatti, n'dou, corley, mitchell, bruseles. He'll fight. And when he does let his hands go, its a thing of beauty.