EPO Testing; Blood & Urine Tests

[Xcusemymood]

This has been done to to death. Actually one of the best threads ive been in a while is all about it. Check it out, its worth it.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7240882#post7240882

EPO can be detected by use of urine tests only- its true.

However they are best when done in conjucntion with blood tests for several reasons.

Below is an example of a guy trying to make the same argument as TS, but pretty much owns himself by quoting the NADA- see below.


Originally Posted by Bee Keepz View Post
From the same person in regards to EPO use.

Question:
2) I've heard a lot about using both a blood and urine test to detect EPO use. Doesn't an athlete have to test positive for EPO on both the blood and urine test to be considered a doper?

No.

Blood testing has received a lot of attention because it is a new concept in the drug testing world. There is a blood test for EPO use, but it is only an indirect test that can be used as a screening measure to save money by determining whether the urine EPO test needs to be conducted. All the blood test does is tell the testers that the athlete has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. The abnormal profile could be caused by the use of EPO, some other blood boosting drug, or just be explained by the athlete being a genetic freak or living at altitude. The testers then perform the urine EPO test to determine whether artificial EPO is the cause of the abnormality.

The blood test does not have to be done in order for the athlete to test positive for EPO.

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

From WADA:

When was a test to detect EPO implemented?

A test for EPO was introduced at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games in Sydney (Australia). The test, validated by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), was based on the blood and urine matrix. A blood screening was performed first, and a urine test was then used to confirm possible use of EPO.

In June 2003, WADA’s Executive Committee accepted the results of an independent report stating that urine tests alone can be used to detect the presence of recombinant EPO. This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO. This report also recommended that urine testing be used in conjunction with blood screening for a variety of reasons, including the cost savings of performing blood screening prior to testing urine. Some international sports federations still use both urine and blood matrix for the detection of EPO. Recently, the urine test was adapted to blood to perform detection of some new erythropoiesis stimulating agents.

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources...EPO-Detection/

[hammerhiem]

So - by name - what is the naturally occuring protein called?

hematopoietin or hemopoietin is the natural protein made by the body (In your kidney's if you're interested)

Erythropoietin, or its alternative erythropoetin is the man made mirror of it.

[IMDAZED]

hematopoietin or hemopoietin is the natural protein made by the body (In your kidney's if you're interested)

Erythropoietin, or its alternative erythropoetin is the man made mirror of it.

Does urine testing all man-made mirrors? How about the natural kind?

[hammerhiem]

Does urine testing all man-made mirrors? How about the natural kind?

The Urine test is designed to detect the difference between that man made and natural protein, the blood testing is to create a bank of knowledge showing any flutuations in blood make up which would show possible EPO use and therefore indicate a more intencive investigation would be necessary.

Thats what they talk about when they go on about combined Blood and urine testing.

Basicly if your Blood cell count jumps it's likely you will be investigated for EPO, unfortunately training at altitude and high intencity training also increases Blood cell count.

As for testing for all mirrors, who the fcuk knows, they might be a new one no one knows about. in which case testing doesn't exsist.

[IMDAZED]

The Urine test is designed to detect the difference between that man made and natural protein, the blood testing is to create a bank of knowledge showing any flutuations in blood make up which would show possible EPO use and therefore indicate a more intencive investigation would be necessary.

Thats what they talk about when they go on about combined Blood and urine testing.

Basicly if your Blood cell count jumps it's likely you will be investigated for EPO, unfortunately training at altitude and high intencity training also increases Blood cell count.

1.What if I store my own blood for later use? Will it detect that?

2. You lost me on man-made protein. Specifically, is there only one-kind of man-made "protein"?

[AllEyesOpen]

I think Pac has more of a problem with the "random" part of the test then the blood. I know you can fake a urine test, faking a random blood test is a bit more difficult.

[hammerhiem]

1.What if I store my own blood for later use? Will it detect that?

2. You lost me on man-made protein. Specifically, is there only one-kind of man-made "protein"?

1. I think i said in a previous post, that EXACTLY what people did do, and that why Alexander Vinokourov was banned.

2. Not got a clue, more than one I imagine.

[IMDAZED]

1. I think i said in a previous post, that EXACTLY what people did do, and that why Alexander Vinokourov was banned.

2. Not got a clue, more than one I imagine.

1. Did Vinokourov fail a urine test?

2. If there is more than one, have they created a urine test to detect the rest?

[IMDAZED]

Alright fine, I'll answer my own questions.

1. NO, it was a blood test that caught him.

2. NO, urine testing is tied to only one man-made protein and thus, is completely ineffective against any other form of blood doping.

[Xcusemymood]

Alright fine, I'll answer my own questions.

1. NO, it was a blood test that caught him.

2. NO, urine testing is tied to only one man-made protein and thus, is completely ineffective against any other form of blood doping.

Notice how TS ran away?