EPO Testing; Blood & Urine Tests

[Drgamma]

This whole blood testing is BS. GH and epo and other are hard to detect. To test for these you need an athlete’s baseline of the natural hormonal levels. If you take a look at some athletes bodies such as Mark Mag. you can see an abnormal incline in muscle mass which is no natural in the simple baseball workouts. Just as in boxing I ? all boxers that move up in weight and are do dominate when they originally had a small frame. I.e. just like SSM, FBP and M.Pac had small frames and were dominate. People that use external sources of medication for endurance/muscle mass usually can point out another and question them.
Currently there is a newer substance out there that has the same effects as GH that no test can detect and has not been discussed in the main stream b/c there is a lot of people will abuse it. I love sports but sometimes I rather see amateurs, little league and pop warner in sports b/c you know there all at the same playing field.

[hammerhiem]

I don't understand. So urine testing detects something in the body already??

I believe is detects increased production of waste products as a result of use.

In cycling the urine test is detecting the actual EPO since it's only used on teh day of the event, usually on mountian stages where a oxygen booster increases Vo2 max.

Most expulsions from the Tour in recent years have involved not possitive test but the discovery of blood transfusion equipment and on a couple of occasions syringes containing EPO.

EPO mirrors high altitude training when used during training camps and since most fighters do high altitude training it would be impossible to detect anyway if fighters used blood transfusions.

[Drgamma]

blood transfusions would give you an abnormal Fe level

[hammerhiem]

blood transfusions would give you an abnormal Fe level

Not if it was your own blood stored from before you used EPO.

[Drgamma]

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1389732-overview

"The human body has no active mechanism for the excretion of iron.1 Iron homeostasis thus relies on the amount that is absorbed from the small intestine."

Anderson GJ, Vulpe CD. Regulation of intestinal iron transport. In: Templeton DM, ed. Molecular and Cellular Iron Transport. New York: Marcel Dekker Inc; 2002:559-96.

Please do not do trasfusions for sport you can die from this...........

[hammerhiem]

Just for ****s and giggles heres the Cycling bodies take on EPO testing.

In 2000 a test developed by scientists at the French national anti-doping laboratory (LNDD) and endorsed by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) was introduced to detect pharmaceutical EPO by distinguishing it from the nearly-identical natural hormone normally present in an athlete’s urine. The test method relies on scientific techniques known as gel electrophoresis and isoelectric focusing. Although the test has been widely applied, especially among cyclists and triathletes, it is controversial, and its accuracy has been called into question. The principal criticism has been toward the ability of the test to distinguish pharmaceutical EPO from other proteins that may normally be present in the urine of an athlete after strenuous exercise.

[IMDAZED]

I believe is detects increased production of waste products as a result of use.

In cycling the urine test is detecting the actual EPO since it's only used on teh day of the event, usually on mountian stages where a oxygen booster increases Vo2 max.

Most expulsions from the Tour in recent years have involved not possitive test but the discovery of blood transfusion equipment and on a couple of occasions syringes containing EPO.

EPO mirrors high altitude training when used during training camps and since most fighters do high altitude training it would be impossible to detect anyway if fighters used blood transfusions.

So is he referring to something man-made or what humans produce? Real simple stuff here.

[Drgamma]

Just for ****s and giggles heres the Cycling bodies take on EPO testing.

Very true, epo = increase in Hb = increase of oxygenation to tissues, which = stamina = increase training and endurance which is needed for most sports.

[hammerhiem]

So is he referring to something man-made or what humans produce? Real simple stuff here.

EPO is a man made mirror protein of a naturally occuring protein without which you would die.

[IMDAZED]

EPO is a man made mirror protein of a naturally occuring protein without which you would die.

So - by name - what is the naturally occuring protein called?