Where does Roy Jones rank among the all-time greats?

[General Zod]

If he retires after Tarver 1 he'd be considered the GOAT skill wise. Wins over 2 ATG fighters, good B+ wins, and winning belts going from MW to HW. 50 fights. Virtually no losses.

When you consider the severity of the slide and the possible performance enhancement use.. I think it puts a real bad stain on his career. I wouldn't be surprised if he averages on the latter end of a top 50 when all the historians get their digs in.

Bert Sugar has him at number 88. I can't really critique Sugars list because alot of the boxers on it I am not familiar with.

[BritishBoxing92]

Where would you put him?

101#-200# i would rank RJJ

[General Zod]

101#-200# i would rank RJJ

Why so low down on the list? Out of interest what boxers would be on your atg list around postions 90 -100?

[BritishBoxing92]

Why so low down on the list? Out of interest what boxers would be on your atg list around postions 90 -100?

ok maybe at 51-75 etc...just dont bug me to death about it...

[Haglerwins]

Bert Sugar has him at number 88. I can't really critique Sugars list because alot of the boxers on it I am not familiar with.

I said average. I think Roy would median out in a top 50 by all historians.

[General Zod]

I said average. I think Roy would median out in a top 50 by all historians.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harry Greb
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Mickey Walker

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Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano
Joe Gans
Sam Langford
Julio Cesar Chavez

Jimmy Wilde
Stanley Ketchel
Barney Ross
Marco Antonio Barrera
Archie Moore
Marcel Cerdan
Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Leonard

Joe Walcott
Jake LaMotta
Erik Morales
Emile Griffith
Terry McGovern
George Foreman
Juan Manuel Marquez
Jose Napoles
Pascual Perez
Billy Conn
Ruben Olivares
Joe Frazier
Tommy Loughran
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate

Evander Holyfield
George Dixon
Maxie Rosenbloom
Larry Holmes
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Carlos Zarate
Thomas Hearns
Battling Nelson
Beau Jack
Ricardo Lopez
John L. Sullivan
Carlos Monzon
Alexis Arguello
Carmen Basilio
Pete Herman
Charley Burley
Ike Williams
Kid Gavilan
Jack Britton

Panama Al Brown
Bob Fitzsimmons
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Tiger Flowers
James J. Corbett
Tony Zale
Tommy Ryan
Georges Carpentier
Sonny Liston
"Kid" McCoy
Bob Foster
Freddie Welsh
Joe Jeannette
Jim Driscoll
Jersey Joe Walcott
Peter Jackson
Ad Wolgast
Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
Manuel Ortiz
James J. Jeffries
Salvador Sanchez
Jimmy Barry
Carlos Ortiz
Roy Jones, Jr.
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Bernard Hopkins
Mike Gibbons
Jack Delaney
Johnny Kilbane
Willie Ritchie
Wilfredo Benitez
Manny Pacquiao
Rocky Graziano
Pancho Villa
Mike Tyson

Berts Sugars list, Im not familiar with a lot of the guys on this list so im not really the best person to critique it.

[Haglerwins]

Bert Sugar is 1 (and albeit the most famous) historian. I'm not going to rip his opinion, but look at the glaring near 40 place difference in position Roy has from Whitaker given his accolades as a titlist. Look at Floyd Jr.'s position to Ray Leonard's. I'm sure I could keep going, but I noticed those right away. I just think Roy will be middle of the pack in the end, if you got lists from all those qualified who cover the history of the sport.

[The Hammer]

Bert Sugar has him at number 88. I can't really critique Sugars list because alot of the boxers on it I am not familiar with.

Seems about right.

[Haglerwins]

Seems about right.

Man, Mike Tyson is at 100. Floyd Jr. is at 12 and Ray Leonard at 25. Look at where Foreman and Frazier are placed and some of the names in front of them. Chris Byrd is ahead of Holyfield and Larry Holmes!

[VirusTI]

Roy cannot be 88.
If roy is 88 Pac is 200, because Pac has never beaten People at the level of Toney or Hopkins, Pac has never been as dominant as Roy, Pac has been beat in his prime...