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**Easy-E** · 12-28-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post

If GBP has ties to USADA and "connections" as some have suggested, it makes perfect sense.

What about Arums connections to the NSAC?
Who has suggested this?
Any credible sources? If not, you should dismiss it as you dismissed the Pac and roid rumors, as the sources were not credible.
Need to be even on all counts.

**shadeyfizzle** · 12-28-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Easy-E;7108664[B

]What about Arums connections to the NSAC?[/B]
Who has suggested this?
Any credible sources? If not, you should dismiss it as you dismissed the Pac and roid rumors, as the sources were not credible.
Need to be even on all counts.

Isnt that why at 1st Arum suggested that any other number of independent agencies used by the NBA or NFL with a known history of testing professional athletes do the testing as opposed to USADA or the NSAC??? Everytime they make an offer GBP and team Mayweather go "NO...USADA must do it"

**El Chicano** · 12-28-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post

Great post. Thanks. *****s still won't get it though.

**rao007** · 12-29-2009, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Manuel6 View Post

20 pounds is doable. Read the post. It's 30 pounds that I scoff at. Let Cotto step on a scale at 160, and we'll see if he looks like Cotto at 147- not a chance in hell. Like Marquez at 142, Trinidad and De La Hoya @ 160+, etc. They all look heavier and chubbier period. This is the natural order of things for athletes that don't predominantly train to gain muscle mass, which boxers don't. You go up significantly in weight from the weight at which you looked lean, and you stop looking very lean. This is actually quiet simple.

30lbs? Pacquiao is said to walk around 150-155. What Pacquiao did was actually go up and fight in a more natural weight. When Steward first heard Pacquiao's rehydration of 16lbs after the weigh-in against Marquez--Steward said Pacquiao had 7lbs of more natural muscle than Marquez. This would be in-line why Pacquiao weighed at 138lbs against Hatton where he didn't have to cut so much weight.

**PensionKiller** · 12-29-2009, 02:25 PM

Pacquaio had a lot of trouble to make weight. He lost to morales for being weight drained. He then suffered at 130 against a JMM rematch. He is not actually mroe shreaded at 145 than at the lower weights.

Think 130 vs valsquez

Against Diaz at 135

Against Hatton at 140lbs (Think he was 138)

144 lbs against Cotto:

To me he has gotten bigger. Not in how toned he is, but a lot bulkier. His face has more water weight and I can see less of his bones and more chin

**RenovatioPR** · 12-29-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post

How are you doing Sam.

Good post and I see your point and I stated in another thred :

Now putting my 2 cents here on this whole steroid thing. I still believe that this is no more than a marketing hype for the fight ( as it really needed any more). But I stand by that for the moment because I can not believe that Arum a Box promoter for so may years and GBP to be stalling in what could very well be the biggest pay day this companies will ever see historically as for there own profit and as a boxing match record in revenues. So this theatrics if it is what they are doing is not unconcivable since promoting companies do not really care about there boxers in the long run, just what they can do to get the most money from them, so this may very well be the case and it is what I believe it is happening.

In the other hand, if this is drama is all true, then Manny has to take action and take the test and fire all his advisors. For the record, I believe he is not on anything but the positions he has taking opened the window of doubt, if this whole drama is true.

I do not believe Pac is on anything and if this is no marketing plot Pac should just fire his advisors and take the test, because the problem is not the facts but rather the huge shadow of doubt that people can have.

**Akinapepemo** · 01-13-2010, 12:16 PM

This thread is good and bump-worthy. It has always been the weight divisions that went up, hence the rise in weight on weigh-in night, not Pacquiao's walking weight. ( wew, so much use of the weight word, i think i need to sleep now, brain's fried.

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Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post

**cortdawg25** · 01-13-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by S a m u r a i View Post

if he was gaining fat i might would agree, but he gaining muscle and putting on mass. Now he may be blessed with the right body to do that so why don't he agree to the test to put a end to the mess?

**Sweet Jesus** · 01-13-2010, 01:30 PM

First of all, those are unofficial fight night weights. Second of all, look at the progression of Pac's head. Barry Bonds called, Manny's making him blush.

**Akinapepemo** · 01-13-2010, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Get High View Post

First of all, those are unofficial fight night weights. Second of all, look at the progression of Pac's head. Barry Bonds called, Manny's making him blush.

Weights and numbers are more precise than the appearance of the head based on a few pictures you see on the net.

Let's see you do that in court to pin down Pacquiao.
I'll paraphrase what someone has already posted:

Mayweather camp: Pacquiao is on PEDs!
Judge: right. do you have any evidence?
Mayweather camp: His head is bigger!
Judge: Can you prove it?
Mayweather camp: but.. but.. his head certainly looks bigger!
Judge: That's not admissible. do you have any other evidence?
Mayweather camp: quack!

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