Pac 106-147=steroid, PBF 106-154=legend!

[PensionKiller]

Watch Mayweather vs. Corley, Bruseles, Gatti and tell me his speed didn't take a hit as he moved up to WW. I know he doesn't throw many combinations, I'm not confusing that with speed here. Remember, Mayweather didn't throw combinations against JLC either but he was lightning quick at 135. Baldomir was alot bigger but he was also slow, Mayweather could have displayed the lightning speed he had at Jr WW but didn't, want to know why? Because he doesn't have that kind of speed anymore.

Mayweather still has damn fast pot shot speed. He just fears and is fighting bigger guys who are obviously harder to hit because of reach and the fact that Floyd won't go toe to toe with someone who is big as him but rather use his skills.

VS Marquez he didn't have any fear and started using a jab.

The harder you test yourself, the harder it is to look good.

[whirlwind]

Good point but Mayweather got overall slower, less offensive as he moved up. His power wasn't the same either. Where as Pacquiao (I'm not accusing him here) improved overall as he moved up. The difference is clear to see. One got better, other got worse.

I don't think so. What I see on Floyd right now he's getting better, stronger and his speed was still there as he moved up in weight but you won't notice much the difference as he's a defensive first fighter and fighting bigger opponents the way it should be while Pac doing the complete opposite.

[Left Hook Tua]

Unless steroids improve foot movement, technique, ability to adjust in the ring, and other mental aspects of boxing then I guess Manny is as guilty as anybody.

His explosiveness, speed, and power has been there since day one.

i never understood how people could say look how fast he is or how hard he punches all of a sudden.

from 112-130 , he was always considered one of the fastest and hardest hitters in his division.

[Doctor_Tenma]

i don't know......

he still looked fast to me.

remember , the more you throw and the more combinations you throw , the faster you look. just human nature when watching.

Remember, he threw no combinations against JLC. Well hardly any combinations. Floyd's speed took a hit and a noticeable one at that; was as soon as he moved up to 147 from 140.

[SplitSecond]

It's dumb to accuse someone because of how high they went up in weight. It's more due to the fact that Pacquiao is performaing better as he moves up and that is the difference. How many people can you say improved as they moved up? Not alot.

Lets ignore the fact that Manny works twice as hard as Floyd and doesn't go around eating junk food.

Lets forget that Manny just looks more lean as Mayweather has more ***** **** and not as much abs.

[GoogleMe]

Steroids don't make you faster they make you slower just more powerful - ask Roy Jones.

****ing Floyd Mayweather what a ****. He was only too happy to beat on a much smaller lighter Marquez then acts all righteous when a Fillipino midget threatens to kick his ass.

FLoyd = King of the cherry pickers. He puts those spanish farm hands to shame.

If you train correctly, you can achieve great speed with steroids. Though if you're fast, then you're born that way.

[SplitSecond]

And how is Manny faster now than when he was in the lower weights?
doesn't seem like it at all.

[-Antonio-]

Lets ignore the fact that Manny works twice as hard as Floyd and doesn't go around eating junk food.

Lets forget that Manny just looks more lean as Mayweather has more ***** **** and not as much abs.

You can't question Floyd's fitness. He works his ass off too.

There just happens to be a breed of guy who combines physical ability with will and determination without the use of performance enhancers.

Like Manny Pacquiao for instance.

[Left Hook Tua]

Remember, he threw no combinations against JLC. Well hardly any combinations. Floyd's speed took a hit and a noticeable one at that; was as soon as he moved up to 147 from 140.

didn't he have a messed up shoulder for the 1st fight against jlc?

[HighFlyer]

"Manny Pacquiao is clean. He never fails a drugtest since."


-Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC)


I believe this commission is consists of experts from all over the globe. NSAC is very much credible than Floyd Mayweather Sr/Jr and Golden Girls Promotion