Pac 106-147=steroid, PBF 106-154=legend!

[Left Hook Tua]

Good point but Mayweather got overall slower, less offensive as he moved up. His power wasn't the same either. Where as Pacquiao (I'm not accusing him here) improved overall as he moved up. The difference is clear to see. One got better, other got worse.

1. mayweather didn't get slower.

2. he was less offensive but that had nothing to do with weight. he just threw less combos and was less willing to engage because of hand problems and because he was fighting bigger men.

3. his power is the same. you don't lose power moving up. the guys in the heavier divisions just take a punch better. also see #2. that also lessens your ko rates. less punches you throw , less chance you'll hurt or ko someone.

4. pacquiao's power did somewhat improved. that's what happens you don't cut weight for a fight as much and when you get slightly heavier. only improvement in pacquiao is that his technique got better and his opponents can't handle his speed as well as his opponents in the lighter divisions who were faster and fought faster opponents.

just like mayweather's opponents at 140-154 was less able to cope with mayweather's speed compared to the guys he fought in the lower divisions who were more use to seeing faster guys. only difference is mayweather was less offensive as you say.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Because he does'nt have the legs to carry that speed and power like Manny. It's all about the legs. I've been telling all of you this since Manny first stepped on the scene.

He does, Mayweather's foot speed/ foot work is as good as anybody's. Mayweather uses his legs to lead with the left hook/ straight right hand.

[Curtiz]

Steroids don't make you faster they make you slower just more powerful - ask Roy Jones.

****ing Floyd Mayweather what a ****. He was only too happy to beat on a much smaller lighter Marquez then acts all righteous when a Fillipino midget threatens to kick his ass.

FLoyd = King of the cherry pickers. He puts those spanish farm hands to shame.

Yes thats 100% correct.

Sprinters take steroids so that they can be more powerful and in no way whatsoever faster. Because we all know that the more powerful you can hit the ground with your foot the more the ground shakes which makes you get to the finish line faster.

Simple isnt it.

[Left Hook Tua]

Floyd has been scared to test himself his whole life. So whatya talkin bout?

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

[Doctor_Tenma]

1. mayweather didn't get slower.

2. he was less offensive but that had nothing to do with weight. he just threw less combos and was less willing to engage because of hand problems and because he was fighting bigger men.

3. his power is the same. you don't lose power moving up. the guys in the heavier divisions just take a punch better. also see #2. that also lessens your ko rates. less punches you throw , less chance you'll hurt or ko someone.

4. pacquiao's power did somewhat improved. that's what happens you don't cut weight for a fight as much and when you get slightly heavier. only improvement in pacquiao is that his technique got better and his opponents can't handle his speed as well as his opponents in the lighter divisions who were faster and fought faster opponents.

just like mayweather's opponents at 140-154 was less able to cope with mayweather's speed compared to the guys he fought in the lower divisions who were more use to seeing faster guys. only difference is mayweather was less offensive as you say.

Watch Mayweather vs. Corley, Bruseles, Gatti and tell me his speed didn't take a hit as he moved up to WW. I know he doesn't throw many combinations, I'm not confusing that with speed here. Remember, Mayweather didn't throw combinations against JLC either but he was lightning quick at 135. Baldomir was alot bigger but he was also slow, Mayweather could have displayed the lightning speed he had at Jr WW but didn't, want to know why? Because he doesn't have that kind of speed anymore.

[Go Blue]

Yes thats 100% correct.

Sprinters take steroids so that they can be more powerful and in no way whatsoever faster. Because we all know that the more powerful you can hit the ground with your foot the more the ground shakes which makes you get to the finish line faster.

Simple isnt it.

This guy is as strong as an ox:

[k1llu]

Yes thats 100% correct.

Sprinters take steroids so that they can be more powerful and in no way whatsoever faster. Because we all know that the more powerful you can hit the ground with your foot the more the ground shakes which makes you get to the finish line faster.

Simple isnt it.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Floyd has been scared to test himself his whole life. So whatya talkin bout?

He faught Augustus for once. That's not an insult, I love Augustus man

[-Antonio-]

It's dumb to accuse someone because of how high they went up in weight. It's more due to the fact that Pacquiao is performaing better as he moves up and that is the difference. How many people can you say improved as they moved up? Not alot.

Unless steroids improve foot movement, technique, ability to adjust in the ring, and other mental aspects of boxing then I guess Manny is as guilty as anybody.

His explosiveness, speed, and power has been there since day one.

[Left Hook Tua]

Watch Mayweather vs. Corley, Bruseles, Gatti and tell me his speed didn't take a hit as he moved up to WW. I know he doesn't throw many combinations, I'm not confusing that with speed here. Remember, Mayweather didn't throw combinations against JLC either but he was lightning quick at 135. Baldomir was alot bigger but he was also slow, Mayweather could have displayed the lightning speed he had at Jr WW but didn't, want to know why? Because he doesn't have that kind of speed anymore.

i don't know......

he still looked fast to me.

remember , the more you throw and the more combinations you throw , the faster you look. just human nature when watching.