Why are *****s acting like pac never wanted to get blood drawn???

[S.G.]

I think the problem seems to be that Pacquiao and his team are trying to force the third party organisation to change their standard protocol, but being that the USADA are pretty much bigger than this one little fight they aren't willing to bend or compromise the comprehensiveness and accuracy of their methods for one dude, so Arum and Pacquiao get mad and want to use a different third party, which the Mayweather's et al find su****ious seeing as the USADA are pretty much the most reliable anti-doping agency in the States and are refusing to bow down to Arum & co.'s demands.

*deep breath*

[GTR]

So the US anti-doping acengy's demends for proper drug testing are unreasonable?

thats USADAs protocol.

[GTR]

I think the problem seems to be that Pacquiao and his team are trying to force the third party organisation to change their standard protocol, but being that the USADA are pretty much bigger than this one little fight they aren't willing to bend or compromise the comprehensiveness and accuracy of their methods for one dude, so Arum and Pacquiao get mad and want to use a different third party, which the Mayweather's et al find su****ious seeing as the USADA are pretty much the most reliable anti-doping agency in the States and are refusing to bow down to Arum & co.'s demands.

*deep breath*

Arum is doing a counter-proposal which hes wanting the Drug testing that NBA, MLB, and NFL does be done to pac and floyd. theyre professional athletes, not olympians. *deep breath*

i know man im so sick of this debate. im just makin it clear that pac is not refusing any blood tests and random urine tests.

[S.G.]

Arum is doing a counter-proposal which hes wanting the Drug testing that NBA, MLB, and NFL does be done to pac and floyd. theyre professional athletes, not olympians. *deep breath*

i know man im so sick of this debate. im just makin it clear that pac is not refusing any blood tests and random urine tests.

USADA work with the NBA, MLB, NFL and more. They are a government funded agency and as far as I can tell are the biggest and most authoritative anti-doping agency in America.

This talk about them being compromised or biased or small-time is all fallacy.

[FLY TY]

Pac agreed to 3, i havent read anything saying that hes refusing blood tests! Worse comes to worse (court evidence), he would get blood drawn today.. tomorrow aint fight night! pac is sayin no to floyds demands because it unreasonable.

nobody's arguing whether or not he did. it's clear he agreed to testing.





problem is, he wants to decide when and where he'll be tested....that's contradictory to what's being asked for.

[GTR]

nobody's arguing whether or not he did. it's clear he agreed to testing.





problem is, he wants to decide when and where he'll be tested....that's contradictory to what's being asked for.

thats when the random urine testing come in.

[FLY TY]

thats when the random urine testing come in.

that's also where urine testing falls out, bro.


as has been stated many time, in articles posted on this site alone, there are drugs, specifically HGH, that cannot be traced in urine testing. that's where blood testing comes in, to track those drugs normally not found in piss.


the fact that pacquiao wants to decide when and where he'll give blood, gives him the advantage of knowing when to stop using steroids ( IF he's taking them).

if the blood tests are random, it beocomes damn near impossible for a steroid user to cycle on and off, without being caught.

once again, not saying pacman definitely IS taking something, but the way everything is shaking down makes it more su****ious. a truly innocent person would be willing to be tested anytime, and i don't wanna get into the whole "superstitious," and "afraid of needles" excuses.

[horge]

He refused Random blood testing and he wants a cut off date..which defeats the purpose.

manny is accepting the blood test. only that they cant be randoom

Those are lies, or you're both just lacking in comprehension.
The "cutoff date" is when drawing of blood must pause.
If anytime prior to the cutoff, blood can be taken without warning,
it's still random. Unless you're imagining that USADA can stop the
fight in the 4th round to take blood, you must accept that testing
WILL pause prior to the fight: the question is WHEN it will pause.

I've been informed that USADA doesn't take blood once it's 48 hours
to the event. That means Pacquiao's actually willing to undergo
far more than USADA was going to impose:

Arum wanted 30 days cutoff, and Roach wanted 4-5 days.
All Pac indicated (and we know it was him who actually authored
said statement because it was verbal and on video) was a 24 hour
cutoff. He voiced no objection to random blood-drawings prior to
the cutoff, nor to USADA being the ones to take/test his blood.

So the US anti-doping acengy's demends for proper drug testing are unreasonable?

I think the problem seems to be that Pacquiao and his team are trying to force the third party organisation to change their standard protocol, but being that the USADA are pretty much bigger than this one little fight they aren't willing to bend or compromise the comprehensiveness and accuracy of their methods for one dude.

Don't confuse Arum w/ Pacquiao.
Pac has overruled Arum in the past (OdlH purse cut).
On the other hand, Arum nixed Pac's desire to fight Shane, and
steered him towards Top Rank stablemate Cotto.

The problem isn't that Arum wants USADA to tailor its protocols.
The problem is that Arum doesn't want USADA involved at.
He wants some other body to do blood tests on Arum's schedule.

Arum's concerned for three reasons (with little to no validity).

1. First is the number of lawsuits brought against USADA over alleged
false positives, which indicate excessively low thresholds for positives
in WSADA's data interpretation. The concern is based on the fact that
many of the traces to be tested for occur naturally in the human body,
hence WSADA's low thresholds might mistake elevated (but natural)
levels to be indicative of doping. If Pac really is a freak of nature, he'll
have freakish levels of something in his system ...but naturally.

2. It's, AFAICT, also protocol for USADA to take more blood than they
actually need for testing: they store the extra as samples for possible
future testing, using as-yet-undeveloped technologies. Pacquiao is
obviously uncomfortable about losing more blood, but my opinion is
that he'll cowboy up and give whatever USADA requires, whenever it
requires, just for the opportunity to put the beatdown on Floyd.

3. It sets a difficult precedent for testing in pro boxing, and major
changes --especially expensive ones-- are rarely welcome in any
business. My personal opinion is that this sort of change is welcome.




h.

[Go Blue]

Those are lies, or you're both just lacking in comprehension.
The "cutoff date" is when drawing of blood must pause.
If anytime prior to the cutoff, blood can be taken without warning,
it's still random. Unless you're imagining that USADA can stop the
fight in the 4th round to take blood, you must acceot that testing
WILL pause prior to the fight: the only question is WHEN it pauses.

I've been informed that USADA doesn't take blood anymore, once
it's 48 hours close to the event. That means Pacquiao's actually
willing to undergo far more than USADA was gointo impose.

Arum wanted 30 days cutoff, and Roach wanted 4-5.
All Pac indicated (and we know it was him who actually authored
said statement because it was verbal and on video) was a 24 hour
cutoff. He voiced no objection to random blood-drawings prior to
the 24 hrs, nor to USADA being the ones to take and test his blood.





The problem isn't that Arum wants USADA to tailor its protocols.
The problem is that Arum doesn't want USADA involved at.
He wants some other body to do blood tests on Arum's schedule.

Arum's concerned for three reasons (with little to no validity).

1. First is the number of lawsuits brought against USADA over alleged
false positives, which indicate excessively low thresholds for positives
in WSADA's data interpretation. The concern is based on the fact that
many of the traces to be tested for occur naturally in the human body,
hence WSADA's low thresholds might mistake elevated (but natural)
levels to be indicative of doping. If Pac really is a freak of nature, he'll
have freakish levels of something in his system ...but naturally.

2. It's, AFAICT, also protocol for USADA to take more blood than they
actually need for testing: they store the extra as samples for possible
future testing, using as-yet-undeveloped technologies. Pacquiao is
obviously uncomfortable about losing more blood, but my opinion is
that he'll cowboyup and give whatever USADA requires, whenever it
requires, just for the opportunity to put the beatdown on Floyd.

3. It sets a difficult precedent for testing in pro boxing, and major
changes --especially expensive ones-- are rarely welcome in any
business. My personal opinion is that this sort of change is welcome.


h.

Pac just said today....

He wants a 30 Day period before the fight where hes not allowed to be tested,

[GTR]

that's also where urine testing falls out, bro.


as has been stated many time, in articles posted on this site alone, there are drugs, specifically HGH, that cannot be traced in urine testing. that's where blood testing comes in, to track those drugs normally not found in piss.


the fact that pacquiao wants to decide when and where he'll give blood, gives him the advantage of knowing when to stop using steroids ( IF he's taking them).

if the blood tests are random, it beocomes damn near impossible for a steroid user to cycle on and off, without being caught.

once again, not saying pacman definitely IS taking something, but the way everything is shaking down makes it more su****ious. a truly innocent person would be willing to be tested anytime, and i don't wanna get into the whole "superstitious," and "afraid of needles" excuses.

then tell my why are random urine tests is still required and accepted form by Dept of transportion and aviation if urine testing is a flunk since u know so much? are u saying 90% of pilots, bus drivers, truckers and majority of commercial drivers license holders always find a way to pass a dirty urine test?

let alone an average joe like or a person like you or Sr can **** on NSACs credibility