Who has the better accomplishments? Calz or Pav

[MANGLER]

Joe C>Pavlik.

[jrosales13]

I am not a huge Calzaghe fan. But when I see people say stuff like "he's not top 100P4P"...I really wonder if they've actually sat down and come up with a top 100p4p to where they were able to reasonably list 100 other fighters without considering putting Calzaghe's name in it

Yea I do...

Here is my top 100 bro.

My list of the 100 greatest fighters of all time...

1. "Sugar" Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Benny Leonard
9. Joe Gans
10. Jack Johnson
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Roberto Duran
13. Bob Fitzsimmons
14. Ray Leonard
15. Gene Tunney
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Barney Ross
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Julio Cesar Chavez
20. Archie Moore
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Mickey Walker
24. Jimmy McClarnin
25. Ike Williams
26. "Barbados" Joe Walcott
27. George Dixon
28. Manny Pacquiao
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Jack Dempsey
31. Stanley Ketchel
32. Billy Conn
33. Jose Napoles
34. Kid Gavilan
35. Emile Griffith
36. Carlos Monzon
37. Eder Jofre
38. Marvin Hagler
39. Evander Holyfield
40. George Foreman
41. Ruben Olivares
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Charles Burley
44. Larry Holmes
45. Jake Lamotta
46. Thomas Hearns
47. Terry McGover
48. Terry "kid" Lewis
49. **** Tiger
50. Abe Artell
51. Michael Spinks
52. Marcel Cerdan
53. Floyd Mayweather
54. Roy Jones
55. Tiger Flowers
56. Kid Chocolate
57. Manuel Ortiz
58. Rocky Marciano
59. Pascual Perez
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Fighting Harada
62. Tommy Laughran
63. Maxie Rosenbloom
64. Felix Trinidad
65. Ricardo Lopez
66. Carlos Zarate
67. Battling Nelson
68. Beau Jack
69. John L. Sullivan
70. Carmen Basillo
71. Pete Herman
72. Jack Britton
73. Pancho Villa
74. Panama Al Brown
75. Erik Morales
76. Philadelphia Jack O'brien
77. James J. Corbett.
78. Jersey Joe Walcott
79. Tony Zale
80. Tommy Ryan
81. George Carpentier
82. Juan manuel Marquez
83. Lennox Lewis
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Joe Frazier
86. Lou Ambers
87. Vicente Saldivar
88. Flash Elorde
89. Miguel Canto
90. Marco Antonio Barrera
91. Joe Brown
92. Wilfredo Gomez
93. Bob Montgemery
94. Bob Foster
95. Sonny Liston
96. "Kid" McCoy
97. Johnny Dundee
98. Mike Tyson
99. Packey McFarland
100. Joe Jeanette

Honorable mentions-James Toney, Mike McCallum, Joe Calzaghe, Azumah Nelson, Harold Johnson, Jim Driscoll, Freddi Welsh, Antonio Cervantes, Eusebio Pedroza, Benny Lynch, Luis Pintor, Freddie Miller, Peter Jackson, Ad Wolgast, Jimmy Barry, Mike Gibbons, Jack Delaney, Johnny Kilbane, Willie Ritchie, Lew Jenkins, Willie Ritichie, Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Aaron Pryor, Rocky Graziano, Khaosai Galaxy, Sung Kil Moon, Hilario Zapata, Yoko Gushiken, Jiro Watanabe, Nico Locche and Gilberto Roman.

I could make a top 130 P4P and argue how Calzaghe does not belong there. I am will not leave him out of the top 130. But, if I wanted I could easily put 30 of the honorable mentions ahead of Joe.

[El Castigador]

Hell Paul Williams has a better resume then Calzaghe and hes ten years younger.

Calzaghe is prolly #199 on the 200 GOAT list.

[jrosales13]

Hell Paul Williams has a better resume then Calzaghe and hes ten years younger.

Calzaghe is prolly #199 on the 200 GOAT list.

Lets not get carried away... P-Will does not have a better resume. And, Joe could easily be in the top 125 all time. I could see how people might have in the top 100. But, I wouldn't put him there. And, if anybody puts him near the top 50? Well they obviously don't know what they are talking about.

[shonuff488]

It's very simple Calzaghe has a better resume than Pavlik right now. However, Calzaghe is 37 and retired, and his resume is not that much better than Pavlik's. Pavlik is 27 and in the prime of his career. Which means he has 10 years to get to where Calzaghe was when he retired. A fight with Williams, Sturm, and a move up to 168 to challenge those guys and it's a wrap.

[The_Demon]

obviously calzaghe

im sure this thread has upset daggum though

[Tmb04]

Calzaghe is my least favorite fighter by far but Pavlik ain't do **** other than give Jermain Taylor his first loss... Calzaghe got this

[Crazylegs77]

Maybe we should wait till Pavlik is almost 40 and then compare.