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  • Originally posted by mdportorock3 View Post
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    Pacquiao Admits Catch-Weight Is Crucial To Outcome With Cotto

    Written by Frank Lotierzo Monday, 09 November 2009 19:00

    This past Sunday on GMANews.TV, Manny Pacquiao said he knows exactly what Miguel Cotto is going through trying to get down to weight the week before the fight. Pacquiao went as far as to say that having been in a similar situation himself, the weight reduction is going to play a crucial role in the outcome of the fight.

    Manny stated that along with trying to sweat off the weight, Cotto will be reducing his caloric intake to make the 145 catch-weight limit stipulated in the fight contract. And he knows that effort will be very demanding on Miguel.

    Outside of having your relatives referee and score your fight, there's no more sure way to compromise a fighter and help alter the outcome of it than beating him on the scale. Bringing a fighter down in weight if it's a struggle affects everything he does in the ring in a bad way.

    Pacquiao's failure to make weight resulted in him losing his WBC flyweight title to Medgoen Singsurat when he was knocked out in the third round 10 years ago. He also had a difficult time making the 130-pound limit for his rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez in March of 2008, a fight in which some observers believe the split decision verdict in his favor could have just as easily gone to Marquez.

    A little over a week out from the fight Pacquiao says he weighs between 148 and 149. So much for him being the smaller fighter next to Cotto.

    The catch-weight of 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto has been a topic of fierce debate since the bout was signed. One side of the argument is that Cotto is too big and should meet Pacquiao somewhere below the welterweight limit of 147 to make it more fair. The opposing side asks why Cotto has to put his WBO welterweight title on the line and not be allowed to weigh the maximum the division allows.

    To those who believe Cotto isn't at a slight disadvantage coming in at 145 Mann anny Pacquiao says you're wrong. And if making 145 isn't a big deal for Cotto why has he never fought below 146 since moving up to welterweight?

    A sure sign of a fighter who struggles getting down to weight is the one who usually weighs in right at the division limit or a half to a full pound below it. Jake LaMotta barely made middleweight before and during his reign as middleweight champ. I trained with former light heavyweight champ Dwight Muhammad Qawi - and making 175 was always a struggle for him, evidenced by him always coming in right at the light heavyweight limit or a half a pound under it once he won and defended the title.

    Then there's the other side where fighters like Marvin Hagler often made the middleweight limit by 2/3 pounds. And the same applied to Michael Spinks making the light heavyweight limit of 175. Both Hagler and Spinks breezed to make weight and always came in under the division limit.

    Miguel Cotto has been weighing in between 146 and 147 since he outgrew the junior welterweight division. That's a testament indicating making the 147 pound limit isn't easy for him and it requires a lot just for him to do that.

    Making 145 isn't the issue concerning Cotto; there's no doubt he'll be able to do that. And it wouldn't be a shock, at least not here, if he in fact came in at 144 being that's he's probably been consumed with how much he weighs during his preparation for the fight. The question is will he be his best and the same fighter who fought Mosley, Margarito and Clottey? And no one knows the answer to that.

    One thing we do know is Cotto won't be better at 145 or 144.5 for Pacquiao than he was at 146 for the three previous mentioned fights. These two fighters are almost the same size and it wouldn't be the least bit surprising if when they get into the ring Saturday night that Pacquiao looks like the bigger fighter.

    Anyone who has ever been around a fighter who's trying to cut weight knows it's not a pretty sight. There's only so much spit, waste and sweat in their body. And there's a good chance that that will compromise Cotto. Which doesn't mean Pacquiao wouldn't have won the fight even if Cotto came in at 146/147, if he does.

    However, those two pounds that Cotto has to lose will affect him more than the 147 he could've carried would've harmed Pacquiao. If losing unnatural weight hurt Pacquiao against Singsurat and Marquez, then it's a fair point Cotto may be hurt trying to cut the extra pound to fight him.

    Of course it'll be argued that Pacquiao had to cut weight because he was still growing, and that's a legit point. But on the other hand, Cotto has already flowered and is very vulnerable to being a little depleted at 145 at this stage of his career.

    Does the catch-weight clause of 145 mean Pacquiao shouldn't receive all due props if he wins? No. Pacquiao supporters will argue it made no difference and he's just the greater fighter. Whereas Cotto's fans will be emphatic that the catch-weight was the main reason Miguel lost if he does. Either way it'll be overstated.

    But it's an undeniable truth that Pacquiao will not be confronting the same fighter in Cotto that fought Mosley and Margarito.
    This ^^^ should be a sticky.

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    • Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
      Asking for catchweights is an admission of inadequacy. Demanding that a opponent cut weight is the equivalent of saying "I can't win without help".

      That's it in a nutshell.
      ******! Catchweight is a fight between the smaller and bigger fighter. Look at Oscar vs Pacquaio fight. Pac has only 1 fight at 135 but moved up to 147 to fight Oscar whos last fight was at 150. After Pac won and made Floyd win against Oscar look like **** some *****idiots here said Pac should fought Oscar at 154 or much better at 160 to be fair! WTF! 135 Pacquaio should fight Oscar at 160 to consider the fight fair for both? lol! The same thing happened when Pac moved down to 140 and fought Hatton after the Oscar fight at 147, none of you praise Pacquaio when he moved down 7 lbs but discredit his win once again after Pac made Floyd win against Hatton like s!hit compare to Pacauaio total annihilation of Hatton at his best weight where he was actually undefeated. In Cotto fight, we all know Pacquiao was too small for welterweight, Pac last fight was against Hatton at 140 and Cottos last fight was at 147 and he weighed in 146. The fight was at 145 catchweight fight. Pac moved up 5 lbs, Cotto moved down just 1 lb and has 5 months to safely lose those extra lb. I dont see Cotto was at disadvantage here but more so for Pacquaio fighting a much bigger man.
      Last edited by straightleft; 02-12-2012, 03:03 AM.

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      • Manny already stated that the weight was a big issue for Cotto. I don't give a crap if Cotto came in at 146 against Clottley. 1 pound makes a difference in boxing when your trying to make weight. Go outside right now and try to lose a whole pound, see how easy it is. And to do it while your already fit is even harder.

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        • Originally posted by straightleft View Post
          ******! Catchweight is a fight between the smaller and bigger fighter. Look at Oscar vs Pacquaio fight. Pac has only 1 fight at 135 but moved up to 147 to fight Oscar whos last fight was at 150. After Pac won and made Floyd win against Oscar look like **** some *****idiots here said Pac should fought Oscar at 154 or much better at 160 to be fair! WTF! 135 Pacquaio should fight Oscar at 160 to consider the fight fair for both? lol! The same thing happened when Pac moved down to 140 and fought Hatton after the Oscar fight at 147, none of you praise Pacquaio when he moved down 7 lbs but discredit his win once again after Pac made Floyd win against Hatton like s!hit compare to Pacauaio total annihilation of Hatton at his best weight where he was actually undefeated. In Cotto fight, we all know Pacquiao was too small for welterweight, Pac last fight was against Hatton at 140 and Cottos last fight was at 147 and he weighed in 146. The fight was at 145 catchweight fight. Pac moved up 5 lbs, Cotto moved down just 1 lb and has 5 months to safely lose those extra lb. I dont see Cotto was at disadvantage here but more so for Pacquaio fighting a much bigger man.
          I'm glad there is someone on this forum with brains.
          Props for spot on post.

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          • Originally posted by Lean On Me View Post
            Cotto came in at

            146 vs Quintana 146.5 vs Judah 146.25 vs Mosley 146.50 vs Gomez 146 vs Clottey


            The extra pound was nothing and took nothing out of Cotto.
            Originally posted by Lean On Me View Post
            Cotto came in at

            146 vs Quintana 146.5 vs Judah 146.25 vs Mosley 146.50 vs Gomez 146 vs Clottey



            He starved himself? Lol
            Cotto came in at 146-146.5 in great shape, drained of fluids, etc. To get to 145, when you are already in great shape at 146, with no fluids in your body, means you have to take something else off. What could that be?

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            • Cotto may have weight 146 in a number of previous fights, however he wasn't forced to weight 145. People don't know what they're talking about. If Cotto is forced to absolutely weight no more than 145, that's not the same as weighting 146 without being forced.

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              • Cotto doesn't walk around at 150....so dudes be acting as if there is no difference between him scaling 145 or 146....from what I've HEARD and SEEN in gyms is that the last 1-3 pounds are the hardest to cut....I've NEVER had to cut weight and I've NEVER boxed professional....so I'm just going by what I've experienced in the gym

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                • Its worth repeating,

                  146 vs Quintana
                  146.5 vs Judah
                  146.25 vs Mosley
                  146.50 vs Gomez
                  146 vs Clottey


                  Drained my ass. More like, he simply couldn't handle the speed from all the different angles.

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                  • Originally Posted by Brother Jay and the Floyd Brigade
                    Asking for catchweights is an admission of inadequacy. Demanding that a opponent cut weight is the equivalent of saying "I can't win without help".

                    That's it in a nutshell.




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                    • Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
                      Asking for catchweights is an admission of inadequacy. Demanding that a opponent cut weight is the equivalent of saying "I can't win without help".

                      That's it in a nutshell.

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