IF Pac beats Floyd....whether by Decision or KO....

**larry x** · 12-14-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by hugh grant

Pac is doing things that no one has ever done as Arum said. Look at the faces of all the boxers Pac has beat of late and how battered they looked. People are so impressed with him they accuse him of steroids. How people behave towards Pac, speaks volumes and louder than any words will ever do, and all counts towards Pacs greatness and it all adds up.

He was favourite against Cotto for good ness sake. Pac has come a long, long way. How many people in Cottos career were favourite against him, let alone someone who came from 116 or is it 106?

He is top 10 now perhaps and if he beats PBF, skys the limit.

so if manny is top 10 now..if floyd beats him..where will you rank him??

**Nightelf** · 12-14-2009, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by fightfan_79

Where would he rank in terms of ATG?

My opinion....top 10.....

7 Division titleholder, KOing/TKOing each title holder in the process, evolving with each fight, has proven doubters / haters wrong everytime, beaten every type of boxer put in front of him (again IF he beats Floyd)...other than a final showdown with Mosley...what else would there be for Pac to accomplish in boxing? Kinda reminds me of Jordan when he won his 6th title....

Please no hate....only objective opinions and thoughts....we've been on a roll with some good "boxing talk" lately....let's keep it going.

DISCUSS!

nope:

Barrera 1-PAST PRIME
Morales1-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED-Erik DESTROYED Manny
Morales2-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Morales3-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Jmm-1 -Jmm Beat the crap out of Pacroid..
Jmm-2 PAST PRIME � Marquez beat up manny�AGAIN lmfao
Barrera2-PAST PRIME
Diaz-Got a gift decision against a SHOT Morales..
Delahoya- PASTPRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Hatton- PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Cotto-PASTPRIME? WEIGHT DRAINED

based on MEDIA HYPE....yes
based on RESUME.... No chance in hell..

**hugh grant** · 12-14-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by jrosales13

Where do you rank Mayweather all time?

Can I see your top 10 list?

Im a bit undecided and uncertain of my top 10. But i know what Pac has achieved. What he has achieved in comparison to the Durans, and SRLs of this world. Duran is agreat and all that, but he wasnt expected to beat Marvin Hagler. Yet Pac eventually convinced people that he would beat Cotto. And most people expected him to.

I know what Pacs victims have achieved, ie hatton, Cotto etc. I know what Pac did to Hatton at 140, and Cotto 145.

**hugh grant** · 12-14-2009, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by larry x

so if manny is top 10 now..if floyd beats him..where will you rank him??

Do you mean where will i rank Floyd or where would i rank Pac?

**jrosales13** · 12-14-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Nightelf

nope:

Barrera 1-PAST PRIME
Morales1-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED-Erik DESTROYED Manny
Morales2-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Morales3-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Jmm-1 -Jmm Beat the crap out of Pacroid..
Jmm-2 PAST PRIME � Marquez beat up manny�AGAIN lmfao
Barrera2-PAST PRIME
Diaz-Got a gift decision against a SHOT Morales..
Delahoya- PASTPRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Hatton- PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Cotto-PASTPRIME? WEIGHT DRAINED

based on MEDIA HYPE....yes
based on RESUME.... No chance in hell..

Horrible horrible post. Resume wise... Only fighter to win 4 lineal titles in 4 different weightclasses. Resume wise only in over a hundred years in history to win a Flyweight title and a Featherweight title... Come on now... Give credit where is due man...

**mathed** · 12-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Well.......where do boxing historians rank Henry Armstrong. He should be that high if not higher, after all Floyd is supposed to be unbeatable, the best defensive fighter of the past 30 or so years.....maybe beyond that. If Pac brings him his first loss, then he should be in the top 10 no questions.

From ESPN: http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford______________________________________________
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

**Kevin Jesus** · 12-14-2009, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Nightelf

nope:

Barrera 1-PAST PRIME
Morales1-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED-Erik DESTROYED Manny
Morales2-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Morales3-PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Jmm-1 -Jmm Beat the crap out of Pacroid..
Jmm-2 PAST PRIME – Marquez beat up manny…AGAIN lmfao
Barrera2-PAST PRIME
Diaz-Got a gift decision against a SHOT Morales..
Delahoya- PASTPRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Hatton- PAST PRIME WEIGHT DRAINED
Cotto-PASTPRIME? WEIGHT DRAINED

based on MEDIA HYPE....yes
based on RESUME.... No chance in hell..

I give Pacquiao credit for what he did to Hatton and I disagree that Hatton was weight drain.

Cotto is plainly just a bum who no one should get any credit for beating because his best wins were gift decisions against Mosley(draw) and Clottey(Clottey won that fight). This guys' best real win is against Zab Judah, a win that is seen by many as nothing in Floyd's resume despite Floyd beating Judah 2 years prior than Cotto did.

**larry x** · 12-14-2009, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by hugh grant

Im a bit undecided and uncertain of my top 10. But i know what Pac has achieved. What he has achieved in comparison to the Durans, and SRLs of this world. Duran is agreat and all that, but he wasnt expected to beat Marvin Hagler. Yet Pac eventually convinced people that he would beat Cotto. And most people expected him to.

I know what Pacs victims have achieved, ie hatton, Cotto etc. I know what Pac did to Hatton at 140, and Cotto 145.

seriously..did you compare cotto-someone whos never beat a champ for a belt...to hagler a top 3 middleweight of alltime??

**jrosales13** · 12-14-2009, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by hugh grant

Im a bit undecided and uncertain of my top 10. But i know what Pac has achieved. What he has achieved in comparison to the Durans, and SRLs of this world. Duran is agreat and all that, but he wasnt expected to beat Marvin Hagler. Yet Pac eventually convinced people that he would beat Cotto. And most people expected him to.

I know what Pacs victims have achieved, ie hatton, Cotto etc. I know what Pac did to Hatton at 140, and Cotto 145.

lol your Duran and Pac comparison is really not that good.

That was Hagler an ATG at MW also. Where Hargler is clearly top 5 all time. Do you think Pac would of been expected to beat Hagler at MW?

Do you think people would of been convinced that Duran would of beat Cotto?

Do you think Hatton at 140 and Cotto at 145 were ATG's? Honestly what would of Duran do them if he would of fought them?

**jrosales13** · 12-14-2009, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by mathed

Well.......where do boxing historians rank Henry Armstrong. He should be that high if not higher, after all Floyd is supposed to be unbeatable, the best defensive fighter of the past 30 or so years.....maybe beyond that. If Pac brings him his first loss, then he should be in the top 10 no questions.

From ESPN: http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford______________________________________________
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

Don't even follow that list. ESPN did a horrible job with this list. There too biased to the modern era. They didn't even put Harry Greb in the top 10 FFS. No Charles Burley, no George Dixon, or no Bob Fitszimmons. Also to have Oscar De la Hoya over Michael Spinks also a joke. And, to have Whitaker that low is just idiotic. This ESPN list should of never been taken seriously

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