Pac lost to Erik because...

[Left Hook Tua]

It's funny how every fighter that pac demolishes is shot all of sudden. Coincidence?

In any case, it would've been a completely different fight if Pac was allowed to use his Cleto Reyes gloves.

fighting pacquiao is tough for anyone. it takes a lot out of you.

[Glamour Puss]

he was past it but definitely not shot by the time of the 1st and 2nd fight.

i think the 1st and 2nd pac fights along with all the other tough fights finally caught up to him by the 2nd half of the 2nd fight.

remember he was doing good in the 1st half of the rematch.

it wasn't until pac had that one big round that he was downhill since. pac actually worked the body and that contributed to it.

remember even in the 2nd fight his knockdowns weren't real knockdowns but more the "i'm exhausted , my legs are gone" type knockdowns.

by the 3rd he was shot. you don't blow away erik morales in 3 unless he's totally past it.

Packy hit him w/ a body shot in the 6th round of that rematch that changed Erik's disposition for the rest of that fight.

After that round he had no legs. He went on pure machismo for the next 4 rounds.

[Foodie One]

It's funny how every fighter that pac demolishes is shot all of sudden. Coincidence?

In any case, it would've been a completely different fight if Pac was allowed to use his Cleto Reyes gloves.

Excuses will never cease around here. Next, I'll hear, Mayweather was "Shot" after the Pacman disposes of him. JAT

[Easy-E]

In actuality, the Pacman was "Ripped-Off" no pun intended Ripper, in the first fight when a judging error caused the draw. Pacman won that fight. In the second match, the knockdown of Marquez was the deciding factor that gave the Pacman his second victory over Marquez. Mastered the Pacman? That's your opinion but everyone saw very close matches in favor of the Pacman. JAT

By everyone you are excluding the majority of press row right?
(I am referring to the second JMM fight, and also would not say that because JMM narrowly won that fight he is Pac's master, or anything close to it)
- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
The ring scored the fight for JMM as well.

[Blue Heffner]

Pac lost because he was outboxed.

[Left Hook Tua]

Packy hit him w/ a body shot in the 6th round of that rematch that changed Erik's disposition for the rest of that fight.

After that round he had no legs. He went on pure machismo for the next 4 rounds.

yeah pac worked the body a lot more than he usually does.

i remember he hurt erik to the body early in the 1st fight but never threw to the body again the rest of the fight.

you can't headhunt with erik. the guy has a granite chin.

[Easy-E]

By everyone you are excluding the majority of press row right?
(I am referring to the second JMM fight, and also would not say that because JMM narrowly won that fight he is Pac's master, or anything close to it)
- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
The ring scored the fight for JMM as well.

Ladyfan: Everyone had it a close win for Pac
Easy-E: Actully the majority of press row had JMM winning that fight.
*Provides examples*
Ladyfan:......

[Chups]

Ladyfan: Everyone had it a close win for Pac
Easy-E: Actully the majority of press row had JMM winning that fight.
*Provides examples*
Ladyfan:......

Old topic...as usual Easy-E is very biased................here's an unbiased scorecards.


Doug Fischer of maxboxing.com - 114-114 Draw
http://www.maxboxing.com/Fischer/Fischer031708.asp

Brad Cooney of Cooney Entertainment - Draw

http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=95526

Harold Lederman of HBO (not his article but mentioned in it) - 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...beats-marquez/

Dan Rafael of espn.com – 114-113 for Marquez

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=3296049

Steve Kim of maxboxing.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim031708.asp

The Arizona Republic – 114-113 for Marquez

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...*****0317.html

Jeff Haney of Las Vegas Sun - 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008...ng-title-bout/

Ricardo Lois of ******************.com – 115-112 for Marquez
http://www.******************.com/articles.php?id=4125

Michael Marley of ******************.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.******************.com/articles.php?id=4132

SC of badlefthook.com – 114-113 for Marquez

http://www.badlefthook.com/story/2008/3/16/463/75851

Ace Freeman of fightfan.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao

http://fightfan.com/?p=101

Victor Perea of *********.com - 115-113 for Marquez
http://www.*********extra.com/cc/FIG...ao-marquez.htm

‘Undisputed’ of doghouseboxing.com – 115-114 for Pacquiao

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Round031508.htm

Bart Barry of 15rounds.com – 115-113 for Marquez
http://15rounds.com/Columns/bbarry/aggressor-031708.php

Ben Thompson of fighthype.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2220.html

Tim Starks of mvn - 114-113 for Marquez

http://mvn.com/boxing/2008/03/17/the...anny-pacquiao/

Aaron Jones of *********.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.*********.com/article_detail.php?AT=603

[Gutz]

Old topic...as usual Easy-E is very biased................here's an unbiased scorecards.


Doug Fischer of maxboxing.com - 114-114 Draw
http://www.maxboxing.com/Fischer/Fischer031708.asp

Brad Cooney of Cooney Entertainment - Draw

http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=95526

Harold Lederman of HBO (not his article but mentioned in it) - 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...beats-marquez/

Dan Rafael of espn.com – 114-113 for Marquez

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=3296049

Steve Kim of maxboxing.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim031708.asp

The Arizona Republic – 114-113 for Marquez

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...*****0317.html

Jeff Haney of Las Vegas Sun - 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008...ng-title-bout/

Ricardo Lois of ******************.com – 115-112 for Marquez
http://www.******************.com/articles.php?id=4125

Michael Marley of ******************.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.******************.com/articles.php?id=4132

SC of badlefthook.com – 114-113 for Marquez

http://www.badlefthook.com/story/2008/3/16/463/75851

Ace Freeman of fightfan.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao

http://fightfan.com/?p=101

Victor Perea of *********.com - 115-113 for Marquez
http://www.*********extra.com/cc/FIG...ao-marquez.htm

‘Undisputed’ of doghouseboxing.com – 115-114 for Pacquiao

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Round031508.htm

Bart Barry of 15rounds.com – 115-113 for Marquez
http://15rounds.com/Columns/bbarry/aggressor-031708.php

Ben Thompson of fighthype.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2220.html

Tim Starks of mvn - 114-113 for Marquez

http://mvn.com/boxing/2008/03/17/the...anny-pacquiao/

Aaron Jones of *********.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.*********.com/article_detail.php?AT=603

nice comeback !!

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Old topic...as usual Easy-E is very biased................here's an unbiased scorecards.




Victor Perea of *********.com - 115-113 for Marquez
http://www.*********extra.com/cc/FIG...ao-marquez.htm

where is Victor nowadays? i miss talkin boxing with that dude