The Thinking Man’s Thread on Manny v Floyd .....

[PAKYO]

If you see Pac winning the early rounds and Floyd adjusting in the mid to later rounds, how do you see Floyd boxing in those mid to later rounds? It appears that you imply Floyd will be aggressively looking to counter an equally aggressive Pac hence the importance of speed and counterpunching accuracy.

That sounds like the JMM fights. While Floyd is probably a better and faster counterpuncher than JMM, Pac now also sports a better right hand IMO compared to his JMM fights. Wouldn't this make Pac harder to successfully counter even by a faster and better counterpuncher? Additionally, Pac recently showed he could take Cotto's punches. This may now mean that while Floyd can hit him, Pac can sacrifice the hit to gain an opening for his own punches.

Floyd can win this fight no doubt (never saw a mega fight where one guy has absolutely no chance to win) but I think that the actual winner here will surprise us by doing things that he hasn't done or done too well in the past. It will take that kind of difference to win.

Now that's a good unbiased take on everything.

TS despite trying to hide his bias, it still shines through like a gossamer. How can Pac wait for floyd to attack? It would be just like waiting for the train from timbukto to arrive...

[Ray*]

Good points but I disagree on the killer pac.

The killer pac was done after the 1st Morales fight. He takes his time now and does not rush his attacks.

Why do you think he let Cotto just backpedal in the late rounds? Only in the 12th rounds, did he really try to corner Cotto. Before that was a stalking but controlled Pac. He was wary that Cotto could catch him lunging in. Just remember instead of going after Cotto full gear, he motioned to the ref about Cotto's action. Now that is thinking.Why do you think he let Cotto hit him in the body? he was playing with Cotto's mind. This was against Roach's instruction but you can see Pac is thinking more on his own.

Why do you think Dlh lasted until the eight? Because pac was constantly moving while throwing because he is thinking of Dlh's left hook. He also slack off after a combo looking at Dlh and thinking if he is laying a trap.

There are several more examples but I think this are the more recognizable ones.

He wasnt really wary of getting caught to be honest because cotto by that time was done, In fact Cotto was done by the 4th round onwards, Pac also notion to Cotto to come on and fight him and not run or backpedal because Pac couldnt cut Cotto off when cotto was doing that.

Pac hasnt fought a boxer/Mover IMO, The closest he has fought in that level was JMM and pac went life and death with him in 2 fights thats why the Mayweather/Pac fight would be very intriguing.

[Ray*]

Now that's a good unbiased take on everything.

TS despite trying to hide his bias, it still shines through like a gossamer. How can Pac wait for floyd to attack? It would be just like waiting for the train from timbukto to arrive...

Because Pacquiao is faster than Mayweather he just need to work on his timing.

[PAKYO]

Because Pacquiao is faster than Mayweather he just need to work on his timing.

Look, just when does floyd in some of his latest fight did he initiate an attack? He rarely does it anymore that's why i swear not to pay or support any of his fights anymore too! That's what i meant waiting for a train that doesn't arrive.

[Syf]

A. ..... We have no reason to expect different on Mar 13... Until he shows he can’t handle the immense pressure of the big stage and bright lights, it’s foolish to just assume he won’t be able to handle the pressure on March 13. Having said that, Floyd handles the early flash knockdown and/or weathers the Pac onslaught early.

B. To think Manny and all his attributes can beat Floyd Mayweather at the peak of his career without a disciplined thought out AND well executed game plan is absurd.

C. Manny will have to get up early (which he will )and then suppress the warrior instinct by having Mayweather come to him, using his speed and difficult angles to counter Floyds limited attack. I beliveve Manny has enough speed to counter Floyd.

D. If Manny can forget about getting the K.O. (it will not happen with a defensive focused Mayweather) he can walk away with a decision against Floyd.

E. Another victory to the P4P King and best fighter of this era.

A. Floyd, if he is knocked down for officially the first time in his career by a punch, may get rattled. It's possible. Granted, he seemed to settle down against Judah, who gave him fits, and arguably scored that kd. But.. it depends on the nature of the kd. In the Cotto fight, what destroyed him was that second knockdown. He tried to come back strong in the 5th..but after that Cotto was done. but Floyd, has never been kd'ed officially. Its not logical to say how he would, or would not react to that.

B. Manny will have a plan. He has Freddy Roach in his corner after all. I think we will see alot better footwork in this fight, than in the Cotto fight. Manny's plan will focus around explosive dynamic footwork, to offset Floyd's finesse oriented footwork. In the Cotto fight, he trained to go mano y mano, strength to strength... In the Floyd fight, he will train for speed and maneuverability. Don't be surprised if he looks alot different against Floyd than he did against Cotto.

C. Counterpunching?? If that's Manny's plan, he will lose. Floyd won't fall into a trap like that for any extended amount of time. Even if it is nominally successful, it will be just as a gimmick to confuse Floyd for a moment, not Pac's winning strategy.

D. If Manny goes for the decision against Floyd, its my opinion that he is shooting himself in the foot. His best strategy would be to try to overwhelm Floyd early by applying volume power punches at key points of Floyd's defense.

E. And,,, your bias shows. Good job, thinking man.

[TRUCKIN]

I didn't bother to read your whole rant.

you basic argument is that floyd = skilled and pac = unskilled.

here's the counter argument:

pac is a different fighter than when he used to be at 130 lbs. is he still aggressive? yes, but he picks his spots better and his right hand is as good as his left now.

the only thing better about pac is he has peds

[Snoopyboymason]

I think Pacquaio's aggresive style will play into Mayweathers hands and after a close first half MAYWEATHER will take over and win a UD i think Floyd is the better boxer and will be the one to find a way to win

[S H O B O X]

I honestly cant see how anyone can pick a clear cut winner from the two ar a dominating victory for either fighter . Floyd is the ultimate defensive and counterpunching boxer in the game today but manny has improved drastically . Manny will not lunge wildly at floyd while floyd picks him off with counters , Roach will ake sure of this . I see a very tactical fight going the distance.