Bernard Hopkins; The Executioner??

[Haglerwins]

In all seriousness, I think Joe was just still in that fight zone in his mind well after the fight. He had to say something to save face for being made to look so terrible in there by Bernard (who everybody knows I think won the fight).

I'm off the Joe bashing though, when it dawned on me he was content with his career, I let it go. I don't think he ever saw himself in that world beater light. If being undefeated is what he wanted over everything else and he feels he achieved it, good for him.

[Pullcounter]

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He should of got docked at least two points in that fight, for his headbutting and holding. Cortez really disgraced himself as well, for allowing it.

look at calz slap.... LEARN HOW TO THROW REAL PUNCHES DOUCHEBAG!!!!

[Adamantium]

look at calz slap.... LEARN HOW TO THROW REAL PUNCHES DOUCHEBAG!!!!

Not even Hopkins could withstand Calzaghes Huricane of Hate.

[Adamantium]

In all seriousness, I think Joe was just still in that fight zone in his mind well after the fight. He had to say something to save face for being made to look so terrible in there by Bernard (who everybody knows I think won the fight).

I'm off the Joe bashing though, when it dawned on me he was content with his career, I let it go. I don't think he ever saw himself in that world beater light. If being undefeated is what he wanted over everything else and he feels he achieved it, good for him.

Good post, I agree with everthing you said.

[Mr. Philadel]

I love the mask and the whole "EXECUTIONER" persona......B.Hop's fight style has changed from the early days but EVERY fighter's style changes as he becomes ancient......Roy isn't the same.....James Toney isn't the same.....**** even Vitali isn't the same......age changes your fight style but only the extra special ones can adapt and STILL keep winning!!

[djtmal]

Hey people..


Let me start by saying i admire Bernard Hopkins for his overall boxing skills.. His Technique, his defense etc.

However i do not like very much as a person, or should i say his public persona.. Im sure hes probably a nice, intelligent guy in private, but he has pissed me off more than once on screen or in fights.

First of all, i allways hated that ridiculous executioner mask he wears for entrances.. Now i now hes american, and you guys love wrestling so im not surprised he has been able to wear throughout hes career and still be taken seriously.

However, one of the reasons why i think he is so hard to take serious when wearing such a mask(and making that ****** X, reminding me of a famous rapper) is that i dont think theres much in his fighting style that gets me thinking of an executioner... you know, somebody whos chopping peoples heads of, torturing people etc.

Thoughts people??



and also, for the fun of it, who would you consider to be the real executioner of boxing?? Old times and current??

overall he's hot garbage...i mean, i give him credit for getting back in the spotlight 10 years after jones beat him, but his credibility took a hit when he wanted to make a career out of fighting guys two divisions smaller than him before, during, and after beating trinidad....in fights he executes nothing more than fights filled with potshots, lowblows, headbutts, and clinches...the real excutioner of boxing, marvin hagler, is who hopkins tries to emulate, but only wishes he could carry marvin's mouthpiece...

[Carlsson]

He did beat Calzaghe. Even floored him, Calzaghe landed nothing but was awarded the W in the hopes he'd stay around for bigger fights. Since then not a single other European fighter has been awarded a gift in the states. Lesson learned.

according to compubox calzaghe landed more shots on hopkins than any of his previous opponents... Dont know if Jones-Hopkins was Compubox-registered, if it was that would mean Joe landed more on bernard than Jones.. And the general conception is that Roy dominated Hopkins.

Now i do agree that he did not seriously hurt Hopkins, but Hopkins only seriously hurt Joe once...

boxing is scored on Effective aggresion, defence, ring generalship and clean&hard punching.

In my opinion, Joe was the aggresor, and to a certain point an effective one(landing more shots on Bernard than any other could) and definetly the ring general(Hopkins running) while Hopkins was better in the defence department(he usually is) and did land the cleaner shots.

Looking at it like that i think it is safe to say the fight was close and could have gone either way. However(again, just my opinion) if you take into account that Hopkins was running and holding all night, and that joe was the one making the fight entertaining i have no problem with Joe getting the decision.

Now i know boxing is not supposed to judged on entertainment value, but bernard really irritated me that night and i was happy Joe got the win...

[βetamax]

Thanks haglerwins for posting that link. I don't make stuff up.

according to compubox calzaghe landed more shots on hopkins than any of his previous opponents... Dont know if Jones-Hopkins was Compubox-registered, if it was that would mean Joe landed more on bernard than Jones.. And the general conception is that Roy dominated Hopkins.

Now i do agree that he did not seriously hurt Hopkins, but Hopkins only seriously hurt Joe once...

boxing is scored on Effective aggresion, defence, ring generalship and clean&hard punching.

In my opinion, Joe was the aggresor, and to a certain point an effective one(landing more shots on Bernard than any other could) and definetly the ring general(Hopkins running) while Hopkins was better in the defence department(he usually is) and did land the cleaner shots.

Looking at it like that i think it is safe to say the fight was close and could have gone either way. However(again, just my opinion) if you take into account that Hopkins was running and holding all night, and that joe was the one making the fight entertaining i have no problem with Joe getting the decision.

Now i know boxing is not supposed to judged on entertainment value, but bernard really irritated me that night and i was happy Joe got the win...

Look, I'm sure you probably haven't observed the fight nearly much as myself but what I can assure you is that the compubox numbers were a complete joke. Your welcome to pick a round and compare your numbers with theirs just to see.

Hopkins also staggered Calzaghe with that punch in the gif since it sent him back off balance but it would be a fair point to suggest that the headbutt assisted in the damage.

I would not call Calzaghe's aggression effective since he hardly landed anything despite throwing over 700 punches (according to compubox so take it with it a grain of salt but I'll say that's easier to count total numbers of punches vs what actually lands). What he did land most consisted of arm punches with nothing behind them.

As far as ring generalship, I'd probably give the edge to Calzaghe. Keep in mind that just because someone is "running" doesn't mean they aren't controlling things and in certain rounds Hopkins was in control since he was making Calzaghe fight his fight and frustrating him in the process.

In the end, though, the objective is to hit and not get hit and that's precisely what Hopkins did while landing the clean, effective punches.

Pointing to a fighter being "boring" by clinching, etc. as a means to not score the fight for a person is a poor excuse IMO. It's just like the Froch-Dirrell fight. No one can actually give a legit argument for Froch outboxing him so they resort to petty things like saying he ran, etc.

[Lead Cenobite]

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He should of got docked at least two points in that fight, for his headbutting and holding. Cortez really disgraced himself as well, for allowing it.

Funny but I can't help wonder- WHAT THE **** IS CALZAGHE TRYING TO DO HERE? PATHETIC.

[Lead Cenobite]

Thanks haglerwins for posting that link. I don't make stuff up.



Look, I'm sure you probably haven't observed the fight nearly much as myself but what I can assure you is that the compubox numbers were a complete joke. Your welcome to pick a round and compare your numbers with theirs just to see.

Hopkins also staggered Calzaghe with that punch in the gif since it sent him back off balance but it would be a fair point to suggest that the headbutt assisted in the damage.

I would not call Calzaghe's aggression effective since he hardly landed anything despite throwing over 700 punches (according to compubox so take it with it a grain of salt but I'll say that's easier to count total numbers of punches vs what actually lands). What he did land most consisted of arm punches with nothing behind them.

As far as ring generalship, I'd probably give the edge to Calzaghe. Keep in mind that just because someone is "running" doesn't mean they aren't controlling things and in certain rounds Hopkins was in control since he was making Calzaghe fight his fight and frustrating him in the process.

In the end, though, the objective is to hit and not get hit and that's precisely what Hopkins did while landing the clean, effective punches.

Pointing to a fighter being "boring" by clinching, etc. as a means to not score the fight for a person is a poor excuse IMO. It's just like the Froch-Dirrell fight. No one can actually give a legit argument for Froch outboxing him so they resort to petty things like saying he ran, etc.

clinging to compu box is ******ed. Clinging to ineffective aggression is ******ed.

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