It's funny how alll the sudden Mayweather doesnt have a chance

[Syf]

An "educated guess"?

How is it educated seeing as though you also admit it has never been truly tested?

Seems pretty uneducated, and biased as you clearly are a fan of Pac.

I'm a fan of neither fighter. Both destroyed my favourite fighter in Hatton. Both beat JMM as well.

I could care less who wins - all I want is a great fight. But IMO Mayweather has the right style to beat Pac. He will struggle early on, and may even get hurt at some point. But I think after 3 or 4 rounds, he will begin to toy with Pac a little bit and beat him by UD or SD.

I am not biased. I invite you to see other threads where I have defended mayweather from various spurious allegations. Also, see where I argued on Floyd's behalf in the thunderdome with some guy named Liquor or some such.

Now- Imagine if Floyd got hit as much as JMM. Do you honestly think he never would have been down? After all out wars where he uses his face as a pinata against his opponent?

LOL

Floyd developed that defense of his to avoid such an eventuality. He is either unwilling, or unable to weather such sustained punishment. I'd go with the latter.

[apokalips]

Yes, I discussed this earlier in the thread..Marquez may have been down.. but he's never been out. And he gets hit 4576256436 times more than Floyd. Floyd gets hit by single shots, when someone manages to find a way to sneak a power punch in through his guard. But he has never been hit by consecutive powerful shots.. and those are what really test a chin.

Also Floyd has been down. Broke his hand on Carlos Hernandez's dome, and took a voluntary knee.

Why bring up the Hernandez KD, obviously I meant from a punch received. JMM has been knocked down by single punches that didn't seem as hard as some shots Floyd has taken. Floyd has taken shots from bigger men than JMM has also. Marquez got knocked down 3 times in 1 round vs Pac so that weren't down to accumulation. He got KD'd by Floyd in round 2 by a single left hook.

[- JCHING -]

I am not biased. I invite you to see other threads where I have defended mayweather from various spurious allegations. Also, see where I argued on Floyd's behalf in the thunderdome with some guy named Liquor or some such.

Now- Imagine if Floyd got hit as much as JMM. Do you honestly think he never would have been down? After all out wars where he uses his face as a pinata against his opponent?

LOL

Floyd developed that defense of his to avoid such an eventuality. He is either unwilling, or unable to weather such sustained punishment. I'd go with the latter.

I would go with unwilling, as he has stated in interviews that there is nothing "cool" about taking punishment.

Truth is we don't know how good or bad his chin is. We may find out in March, but to say either way now is uneducated.

[COACH WEBB]

Floyd doesn't have a chance with Pac at all as FLOYD WILL NEVER ENTER THE RING WITH MANNY ON IT!

That's the truth.

when ppl try to make threads to actually discuss the fight IN THE RING, these are the best kind of responses you can give?

[tredh]

The question is whether Floyd's flea flicker jab will actually disrupt or reset pacquio...or whether it will be a minor annoyance that he just walks through.

Call PBF jab a flea flicker all you want but for 40 fights that jab has been put in peoples faces, chest and pit of they stomach CONSISTENTLY. Over the course of the fight it has always had an affect. Getting hit consistently round after round adds up. It will add up on Manny just like everybody else. Power has always been overrated even though its a great thing to have.

[Syf]

Why bring up the Hernandez KD, obviously I meant from a punch received. JMM has been knocked down by single punches that didn't seem as hard as some shots Floyd has taken. Floyd has taken shots from bigger men than JMM has also. Marquez got knocked down 3 times in 1 round vs Pac so that weren't down to accumulation. He got KD'd by Floyd in round 2 by a single left hook.

This was after a long career of wars.

Marquez has had a lot of wear and tear over the years.

Even still, Floyd was alot bigger than him.. and Pac is pac... getting KD by him is nothing to be ashamed of. It might even happen to Floyd too. Besides, he came back after that to go life and death with the dangerous Pacquao. Similarly, the formidable Mayweather couldn't knock him out even though he had him like a fish in a barrel.

So, chin is an all inclusive term that also includes heart and will

[Syf]

I would go with unwilling, as he has stated in interviews that there is nothing "cool" about taking punishment.

Truth is we don't know how good or bad his chin is. We may find out in March, but to say either way now is uneducated.

Well lets go with unwilling then.

that still speaks volumes about how he will handle being "uncool"

will he quit? Will his willpower hold?

As for JMM, Logically, it is more feasible to give consideration's edge to a proven chin (jmm's) than to a theoretical chin (Floyd's)

[Syf]

Call PBF jab a flea flicker all you want but for 40 fights that jab has been put in peoples faces, chest and pit of they stomach CONSISTENTLY. Over the course of the fight it has always had an affect. Getting hit consistently round after round adds up. It will add up on Manny just like everybody else. Power has always been overrated even though its a great thing to have.

I'm going by what i've seen in his last couple of outings. Perhaps a mistake. Vintage Floyd might be lurking. I still remember that jab to the body against ole mullet boy back in the dizzay... **** was beautiful.

[apokalips]

Floyd's heart shouldn't be questioned too much, he fought on vs Castillo with an injured shoulder and has fought with broken hands and still won fights. Why do people just magically think he'd quit because he's getting hit? Is it cos he hasn't lost yet? Or because he's been good enough not to be in a position to even think about quitting?

Manny didn't seem too happy against Agapito and many believe he wanted to quit...so why don't people say he might quit against Mayweather? I don't really question either fighters heart.

[Syf]

Floyd's heart shouldn't be questioned too much, he fought on vs Castillo with an injured shoulder and has fought with broken hands and still won fights. Why do people just magically think he'd quit because he's getting hit? Is it cos he hasn't lost yet? Or because he's been good enough not to be in a position to even think about quitting?

Manny didn't seem too happy against Agapito and many believe he wanted to quit...so why don't people say he might quit against Mayweather? I don't really question either fighters heart.

Floyd's body is durable.. His weakness in the shoulder roll is body shots. he can only guard them on the left side with that one arm. But he takes body shots well.

Question:

Do you believe having a hurt shoulder or hand is just as taxing on a fighters heart as taking multiple power shots to the dome? What about after that fighter's illusions of invincibility are dispelled and he is rattled and/or kd'ed?

What if Pretty Boy's Face is battered and bruised...cut up? Would these be similar tests to his heart, or different in nature?