It's funny how alll the sudden Mayweather doesnt have a chance

[Syf]

Manny cant fight on the outside unless his opponent stays in range, He alway struggle to get off if his opponent are not in front of him. If you close Manny up then he doesnt really have much advantage unless you close him up and **** with him.

Just one example...

In Morales 3, Erik was hovering or backpedaling at what he hoped was out of range.

Pac's explosive footwork ended those hopes.

[Ray*]

Just one example...

In Morales 2-3, Erik was hovering or backpedaling at what he hoped was out of range.

Pac's explosive footwork ended those hopes.

Am talking about a prime fighter not one that was done, No disrespect to either fighter but just making a point, If you backpedal against Manny then you would get tagged because he can then extend his hands, If you close him up he cant do anything.

If you stay out of range manny cant tag you, Thats why he was egging Cotto to come on and lets fight in the 10th round because he could get to a moving cotto.

[Syf]

Am talking about a prime fighter not one that was done, No disrespect to either fighter but just making a point, If you backpedal against Manny then you would get tagged because he can then extend his hands, If you close him up he cant do anything.

If you stay out of range manny cant tag you, Thats why he was egging Cotto to come on and lets fight in the 10th round because he could get to a moving cotto.

refer to Morales 2, then. Or barerra, if you prefer

If you stay out of range, he can and will close distance.

the Cotto fight was actually atypical of his usual footwork.. not typical as you are suggesting.

[C.Y.]

Marquez does not have Floyd's slickness, so he eats shots. Even so, he's been knocked down, but has always got up with a clear head, and never been knocked out in his entire professional career.

Mayweather, due to his defense, never truly ate any consecutive shots like Marquez has. His chin is untested in that regard. He was buzzed pretty well by Corley, Judah, and so on, but with single shots, and never in a sustained way, like JMM.

Morales had a 5 inch reach advantage, and barerra had 3.. Pac's explosive footwork made up the distance. Which is what I was alluding to, despite purely physically analytical stats that you cling to


Morales could counterpunch..it was part of his repertoire.


Manny can fight on the outside (or optimal striking distance).. and on the inside he won't need to. His footwork will keep him from having to fight in a phonebooth. That has to be his plan, he can't try to beat Mayweather at his own game. That's a loser's endeavor.

Corley did buzz him, I dont think he was stunned against Judah.

you mentioned pac's footwork being the reason he was able to make up the advantage in arm length when he fought barerra and morales, ok who has better footwork and foot speed? morales and barerra, or mayweather??

Morales is not really considered a counter puncher. Mayweather is the best counter puncher in the game.

i agree manny is going to have to find his range, but it will be quite difficult because of the length advantages, and because of manny not having a clear advantage, and many would argue he has no advantage in foot work and speed over mayweather.. and because of that manny may have to fight a little on the inside.

being a southpaw certainly helps, but i dont like his chances agaonst mayweather

[Syf]

Corley did buzz him, I dont think he was stunned against Judah.

you mentioned pac's footwork being the reason he was able to make up the advantage in arm length when he fought barerra and morales, ok who has better footwork and foot speed? morales and barerra, or mayweather??

Morales is not really considered a counter puncher. Mayweather is the best counter puncher in the game.

i agree manny is going to have to find his range, but it will be quite difficult because of the length advantages, and because of manny not having a clear advantage, and many would argue he has no advantage in foot work and speed over mayweather.. and because of that manny may have to fight a little on the inside.

being a southpaw certainly helps, but i dont like his chances agaonst mayweather

I'm not talking about the pseudo knockdown where Floyd's glove touched the canvas, I'm talking about when Judah hit him with that nice left and Floyd shelled up and backed to the ropes to avoid/pick off the following flurry from Zab. He looked a bit buzzed there, but had great survival skills to prevent further damage.

Morales and Barerra never had footwork or footspeed as good as Floyd, but that's beside the point. I used them as cases to show how Pac can close the distance against a fighter, when his footwork is at its best. His footwork against Cotto was an outlier.

Mayweather has great footwork, but as I mentioned in another thread, its finesse oriented. little jumpsteps forward and back, pivot steps.. ducking, dodging, weaving, skips mixed with trunk rotations...

Pac's footwork is dynamically oriented, when its on point. Meaning it can eat ground and close distance. Large jump steps front and back.. large side steps.. its also used as a base from which pac derives much of his power.

This fight has an elite dynamo vs. an elite virtuoso.. My point has always been.. Floyd and Pac are both bad style matchups for each other. It doesn't just go one way.

[Emphasis]

I think people are forgetting how easily Cotto snapped Manny's head back with his jab. Even I was surprised by that.

Cotto is hardly as fast as Floyd is, so I feel the jab might be a substantial weapon against Manny in this fight.

[PAKYO]

I think people here are forgetting that FLOYD DOES NOT REALLY WANT TO FIGHT PAC!

You people just wait for his announcement soon that something is broken with him...his ****.

[Syf]

I think people are forgetting how easily Cotto Snapped Manny's head back with his jab. Even I was surprised by that.

Cotto is hardly as fast as Floyd is, so I feel the jab might be a substantial weapon against Manny in this fight.

True..but a couple things to consider:

Cotto is a left hand dominant fighter.. A converted southpaw, so his jab is one of his most deadly weapons. He knocked Clottey down with his jab.

Manny ate those jabs..and some strong left hooks besides, and still walked forward. His punch resistance is something else.

Floyd's jab, a flicker thing from down around his waist, is more a disruption and setup tool than a deterring damage dealer

[S A M U R A I]

I think people are forgetting how easily Cotto Snapped Manny's head back with his jab. Even I was surprised by that.

Why? The same jab knocked down Clottey. Of course it'll snap an opponents' head back, it's powerful. But did it even matter in the end? Pacquiao gave away the first round and purposely got himself tagged. There was no other point in the fight where Cotto was in control. In fact, he was never even in control of the first round, he was just falling into Pacquiao's game plan.

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[mrbigshot]

You will feel so dumb after the fight (alot of other people too). Cause I know this is all you are basing your prediction on.

Floyd and JMM are two different kinds of counter punchers. You will learn this on fight night. JMM counters with several shots, Floyd with one. Manny will be able to handle Floyds counters. Then he will counter FLoyd.

your on pacs balls, so you are basically impossible to debate with BECAUSE u have already made up your mind!!!!

JMM counters with 3 or 4 shots but is defense is terrible and he got over confident!!

mayweather will counter with one shots but he also does put combinations together

Pac was a bigger man than JMM but floyd is the same size yet might even be bigger than pac!! cotto managed to land some shots on pacaquio mayweather will be able to land on him and will make pac very tentaive with is shots!!!

i for one cant wait for this fight but i do get the impression that roach has kept pacman away from fighters with strong right hands every fighter has been left hand happy or stronger left hand!!!

diaz de la hoya hatton and cotto all had strong left hands!!
mayweather has strong left and strong right

pac has no defense against right hands

pacs speed will give floyd some problems but i just see floyd timing him again and again!!!