It's funny how alll the sudden Mayweather doesnt have a chance

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your on pacs balls, so you are basically impossible to debate with BECAUSE u have already made up your mind!!!!

Like this isn't true with you also, if one just changes "pac's" to "floyd's"?

Please.

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Manny countered several of Cotto's hooks with the jab. So he uses it, just as more part of his volume attack, or to disrupt fighters..than a ring generalship tact..

The two counterpunchers he faced that confounded him:

JMM has a better chin than Floyd.. I'd probably bet on that. Floyd just hasn't had his punch resistance truly tested by consecutive shots yet.

Morales was a fight where they forced Pac to wear 10 oz gloves. This fight, will be with 8 oz

if he can get his explosive footwork back on point (it was a bit off against Cotto) he will have better reach than mayweather, and if Mayweather shells up too much and tries to defend every single shot, he will get tagged.

Marquez has a better chin than Mayweather..............Ok then

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Marquez has a better chin than Mayweather..............Ok then

Mayweather's hasn't been ever truly tested, due to that excellent defense of his... So I'm making an educated guess.

One that is probably right, btw.

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True..but a couple things to consider:

Cotto is a left hand dominant fighter.. A converted southpaw, so his jab is one of his most deadly weapons. He knocked Clottey down with his jab.

Manny ate those jabs..and some strong left hooks besides, and still walked forward. His punch resistance is something else.

Floyd's jab, a flicker thing from down around his waist, is more a disruption and setup tool than a deterring damage dealer

Why? The same jab knocked down Clottey. Of course it'll snap an opponents' head back, it's powerful. But did it even matter in the end? Pacquiao gave away the first round and purposely got himself tagged. There was no other point in the fight where Cotto was in control. In fact, he was never even in control of the first round, he was just falling into Pacquiao's game plan.

It wasn't so much of Manny's head literally snapping back, I was more surprised of Cotto landing his jab at will.

I don't think Floyd intends to knock people down with his jab, but everytime he uses it, it's used to disrupt his opponent which is just what Cotto did to Manny when he used his jab.


Given Floyd's recent outing against JMM, it looks like he's trying to bring back his jab to be consistent with it as much as he was in the past.

I'm aware Cotto got blown out, but given how he was able to land his jab when he wanted to, plus Floyd's recent outing with Marquez, I feel his jab could be an important tool than most realize in this fight.

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Mayweather's hasn't been ever truly tested, due to that excellent defense of his... So I'm making an educated guess.

One that is probably right, btw.

Come on now Floyd HAS been hit before...He has a great defence so he doesn't get hit with combos but he has been hit many times in his career and has never been down (let's not bring up the Zab possible KD that punch didn't hurt him at all)

Marquez on the other hand has been down 5 times in fights against Mayweather and Pacquiao alone.

Yes Floyd's style is wrong for PAc, but Pac still beat Marquez who's style was wrong for Pac. Yes Floyd is bigger and more accurate, but not as fast or as agressive at 147 as Marquez was against pac.. Now pac is bigger and just about the same speed, and not to mention more powerful. So what this means is that this is looking to be an epic fight that will be close.

Floyd at 147 may not be faster than Floyd at 130 but he's faster than Marquez at any weight in every way.

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Which is it floyd will pull out, his teeth or his ****?

Very mature....what is the point of comments like this?

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Come on now Floyd HAS been hit before...He has a great defence so he doesn't get hit with combos but he has been hit many times in his career and has never been down (let's not bring up the Zab possible KD that punch didn't hurt him at all)

Marquez on the other hand has been down 5 times in fights against Mayweather and Pacquiao alone.

Yes, I discussed this earlier in the thread..Marquez may have been down.. but he's never been out. And he gets hit 4576256436 times more than Floyd. Floyd gets hit by single shots, when someone manages to find a way to sneak a power punch in through his guard. But he has never been hit by consecutive powerful shots.. and those are what really test a chin.

Also Floyd has been down. Broke his hand on Carlos Hernandez's dome, and took a voluntary knee.

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Mayweather's hasn't been ever truly tested, due to that excellent defense of his... So I'm making an educated guess.

One that is probably right, btw.

An "educated guess"?

How is it educated seeing as though you also admit it has never been truly tested?

Seems pretty uneducated, and biased as you clearly are a fan of Pac.

I'm a fan of neither fighter. Both destroyed my favourite fighter in Hatton. Both beat JMM as well.

I could care less who wins - all I want is a great fight. But IMO Mayweather has the right style to beat Pac. He will struggle early on, and may even get hurt at some point. But I think after 3 or 4 rounds, he will begin to toy with Pac a little bit and beat him by UD or SD.

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It wasn't so much of Manny's head literally snapping back, I was more surprised of Cotto landing his jab at will.

I don't think Floyd intends to knock people down with his jab, but everytime he uses it, it's used to disrupt his opponent which is just what Cotto did to Manny when he used his jab.


Given Floyd's recent outing against JMM, it looks like he's trying to bring back his jab to be consistent with it as much as he was in the past.

I'm aware Cotto got blown out, but given how he was able to land his jab when he wanted to, plus Floyd's recent outing with Marquez, I feel his jab could be an important tool than most realize in this fight.

The question is whether Floyd's flea flicker jab will actually disrupt or reset pacquio...or whether it will be a minor annoyance that he just walks through.

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Common things that I've noticed with this fight is that people think either fighter won't be competitive. I think it will be highly competitive, especially early on.

Floyd's power has been underrated and I think Manny's one punch power has been overrated. I think it will be a hell of a tactical fight but it isn't simply defence vs offence, as they both have capabilities in both areas, although I believe Floyd to be a much more rounded fighter.