P4P fight ducking!

[tracylee]

Pacquiao wasn't a nobody before he beat Barrera!
He was the IBF super-bantamweight champ, and he defended it something like 6 times, and before that he was the WBC Flyweight champion and defended that a load of times.

I was very surprised when Barrera took the Pacquiao fight because he didn't have too, and I considered Paquiao to be probably the most dangerous fight for him at the time!

But again Barrera showed his class by challenging the best out there.

I don't wanna say this but I reckon it's just an American marketing thing (This P4P stuff). They know they're gonna struggle to sell tickets for a bernard fight coz' he's so negative, so they dress it up with P4P No.1 to make people think they're going to see a fighter that's really special.

It's all Boll*x really!

I always thought it was more about title defenses (successful ones at that) more than anything else. I know Jones OWNED the #1 slot for yr's til he got ko'ed! Apparently it doesnt matter if the guys youre defending that title against are the best or not

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Part of Hopkins' position is not just who he beats but how he beats them. Morales would never dominate a guy like Tito. H would just go toe-to-toe and get more fans. That doesn't make him better p4p. Morales has come up short vs MAB afte failing to box and getting tricked into brawling.

Erik fights Pac, who used to be a flyweight and people give him all kinds of credit. It was a good and close fight.

Hopkins totally outclasses Tito, who used to be a welterweight, and the same people that praise Morales forget that Erik fougt a close fight with a man who used to be a flyweight.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, people who make these claims just like Erik's style better. In fact, Erik's style is more entertaining to me as well, but that does not make him a better fighter than Bernard Hopkins, period.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I always thought it was more about title defenses (successful ones at that) more than anything else. I know Jones OWNED the #1 slot for yr's til he got ko'ed! Apparently it doesnt matter if the guys youre defending that title against are the best or not

I'm not into fighters defending belts so much anymore

There's to much corruption in the sanctioning bodies nowadays, and there's too many sanctioning bodies.

I try to forget what belts are on the line, and just appreciate who's fighting whom.

Barrera in particular went for ages without actually having a belt, but was still considered the best featherweight (People's champion)... And best off, he didn't have to give a percentage of his purse to a greedy sanctioning body! - I respect him for that.

I could go on about sanctioning bodies all night, (The ranking systems go on how marketable a fighter you are rather than who you've beaten etc)... But it's too frustrating!... LOL!...

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

Also, if you think Floyd has made a career of ducking people, you are completely biased and hateful or just ******. Sorry, but I'm not going to mince words when you make a dumbass claim such as lod ducking someone. By the way, RJJ wasn't forced to do ****, he wanted the rematch because that's what the fans wanted.

Floyd has fought many very good fighters and respectable fighters...

Famoso, Corley, Diego, Castillo, Chavez, Hernandez, N'dou, and so on.

[tracylee]

I'm not into fighters defending belts so much anymore

There's to much corruption in the sanctioning bodies nowadays, and there's too many sanctioning bodies.

I try to forget what belts are on the line, and just appreciate who's fighting whom.

Barrera in particular went for ages without actually having a belt, but was still considered the best featherweight (People's champion)... And best off, he didn't have to give a percentage of his purse to a greedy sanctioning body! - I respect him for that.

I could go on about sanctioning bodies all night, (The ranking systems go on how marketable a fighter you are rather than who you've beaten etc)... But it's too frustrating!... LOL!...

And you never know who was paid off either (Suleyman, or whoever, is supposed to be in Kings front pocket) If I go by belts at all, it's usually the Rings belt. I wish it was like it used to be long ago...one belt for each division (one for each champ.)...the alphabet soup is laughable!

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Part of Hopkins' position is not just who he beats but how he beats them. Morales would never dominate a guy like Tito. H would just go toe-to-toe and get more fans. That doesn't make him better p4p. Morales has come up short vs MAB afte failing to box and getting tricked into brawling.

Erik fights Pac, who used to be a flyweight and people give him all kinds of credit. It was a good and close fight.

Hopkins totally outclasses Tito, who used to be a welterweight, and the same people that praise Morales forget that Erik fougt a close fight with a man who used to be a flyweight.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, people who make these claims just like Erik's style better. In fact, Erik's style is more entertaining to me as well, but that does not make him a better fighter than Bernard Hopkins, period.

I hear what you're saying, but with Hopkins everyone just goes on about the Tito fight. That happened 3-4yrs ago... With Morales you can go on about a whole long list of excellent fighters he's beaten.

Morales has beaten and dominated great fighters and KO'd them in just as spectacular fashion!

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Morales has beaten and dominated great fighters and KO'd them in just as spectacular fashion!

Morales has not beat anyone as dangerous as Tito as savagely as Bernard beat him. That's a fact. However I do not claim Bernard is perfect. He should have fought Roy but he was scared, and now it's looking like in his old age he is afraid to fight young guys like Taylor. Instead he will fight Sturm who is weak and will take any cash Bernard offers.

Erik fights better fighters in general, but he doesn't beat people the way Bernard does. If Morales had beaten MAB then we would have nothing to discuss. He would be number one. He's too busy brawling however and does not use his skills to earn his number one ranking.

[tracylee]

Morales has not beat anyone as dangerous as Tito as savagely as Bernard beat him. That's a fact. However I do not claim Bernard is perfect. He should have fought Roy but he was scared, and now it's looking like in his old age he is afraid to fight young guys like Taylor. Instead he will fight Sturm who is weak and will take any cash Bernard offers.

Erik fights better fighters in general, but he doesn't beat people the way Bernard does. If Morales had beaten MAB then we would have nothing to discuss. He would be number one. He's too busy brawling however and does not use his skills to earn his number one ranking.

Okay, I'm curious...did you think that DLH REALLY beat Sturm? I know I didnt..but understand that the nod was 'necessary' for the big fight with B-Hop. All that considered, I have to wonder if Sturm might do better against B-Hop than expected? So many think that DLH beat B-Hop (and that Sturm beat DLH) but I'm one of these that believe styles make fights...whats your view?

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

So many think that DLH beat B-Hop (and that Sturm beat DLH) but I'm one of these that believe styles make fights...whats your view?

What kind of moron thinks DLH beat Hopkins? Hopkins won by KO, and was winning the fight when it was stopped. Sturm hs nothing to offer Hopkins. He is not bigger, stronger or faster, and Hopkins' jab is just as good. DLH at best deserved a draw with Sturm but most likely a 7-5 loss.

Styles do make fights and Sturm's style is too predictable for Hopkins. Roy was very unorthodox and unpredictable and still Hops was competitive with him. Sturm only wins if Hopkins becomes old. I think Taylor would have a real short but Hopkins appears to be cancelling that fight, and if he does, he is a *****.

[MWCOFSU]

Who is Pacman, before the Barrera fight? He got knocked out twice, him beating Barrera wasn't suppose to happen, than Morales loses to Barrera, no surpise, while Pacman draws with JMM(who?), than Morales beats Pacman and becomes #1, while Seda, Corrales, Freitas, Casamayor all slip him by, and become stars. Morales is a P4P'er, but dont try replaceing him for Hopkins. I would have him around 5-3.

your name is IwatchBoxing and you pretend like Juan Manuel Marquez is a nobody? this post is all about ducking fighters and Juan Manuel is ducked like no other. at least the pacman actually fought him.

Nobody gave a one-sided beating like the Pacman gave to Barrera. that was an ass-whipping. it was a performance that i'll never forget.