Vitali KlitschkO

[Bozo_no no]

Now you're grasping, you're the one saying that Lewis was not the same fighter he used to be, I was just saying he most likely would have been had he taken care of himself.

And I told you three times you have no way of knowing that.

Going back over a year and looking at a minimal effort fight against Tyson doesn't conclude Lewis wasn't going to start aging at 36 or 37.

[Bozo_no no]

Well, your opinion sucks!

That pretty much sums up the typical response form a Vitali nut hugger.

[hollister]

And I told you three times you have no way of knowing that.

Going back over a year and looking at a minimal effort fight against Tyson doesn't conclude Lewis wasn't going to start aging at 36 or 37.

And you have no way of knowing he wouldn't have been the same fighter because he was too ****ing lazy and sorry to train consistently so that it would have been proven.

He was doing the same thing VK has been doing, fighting who was there, and avoiding the ones he didn't want to fight (Ruiz, Byrd). You're just arguing to argue. Anyone with half a brain could have seen that by looking at the last few fights he had, he was beating his opponents with about the same amount of effort, and physically as well as stylewise, looked about the same as he always had, regardless of his weight fluctuation. There was no clear indication of deterioration where his performance was concerned, because he was a fighter that would keep you at range, and if he couldn't do that, he would tie you up, or lean all over you to tire you out. That worked until he fought VK. He still won the fight, which is why it bothers me that some people act like he was ****ing Moses or something. The guy came in to fight in about the same condition he always did, but had a much rougher fight, that's it. This isn't a ****ing scientific experiment, you can just watch the mother****er fight and see what I'm saying.

[Cambria]

Vitali is the best HW in the division right now. I don't see any of them beating him.

I must add although I like VK, I don't think he is considered the best just beacause of his skills but also because of the lack of skill by the other HW's.

20 years from now we will not look back and say wow these HW's were a great bunch unless they develope a little more.

[hollister]

Vitali is the best HW in the division right now. I don't see any of them beating him.

I must add although I like VK, I don't think he is the best because of his skills, I think he is the best because of the others lack of skill.

Probably so, that and his sheer size and strength.

[Bozo_no no]

The guy came in to fight in about the same condition he always did, but had a much rougher fight, that's it.

No that's not it. That's worng.

Again, he did NOT come in the same way he always did.

He came in out of a 1 year period of inactivity, at a career high for weight, and at 37 years old.

He did all of that, and still WON in a rough fight.

[hollister]

No that's not it. That's worng.

Yes, that's exactly it.

Again, he did NOT come in the same way he always did.

Again yes he did, physically. He just fought a different style because his jab didn't have the same effect without the reach advantage.

He came in out of a 1 year period of inactivity, at a career high for weight, and at 37 years old.

He did all of that, and still WON in a rough fight.

How many periods of inactivity has he had? By simply stating career high weight you are omitting that it was only 8 or 10lbs over what he had been fighting at, and that's on a 6'5 frame.
Yes he won, but he was losing that fight, and some of those cuts (under his eyes) came from headbutts, of which both were guilty.
Kostya Tsyu came off a bit of a layoff himself, and KO'd his man, whom many were picking to beat him, and now they're calling him a bum. Zoo isn't that much younger than LL, but he TRAINS. You're making him out to be a broken down old man to make VK look worse than he is, and YOUR AGE is really showing.

[Bozo_no no]

Again yes he did, physically. He just fought a different style because his jab didn't have the same effect without the reach advantage.

There's no point discussing this, because you're blinded to the fact that you're wrong.

He DID NOT come in physiclly near to what he had in the past.

A 1 year period of inactivity is going to dull him a bit when he's 36 years old. The "extra 5 - 10 lbs you speak about IS a noteworthy, because the only time he ever came above 250lbs was when he LOST to Rahman.

When you add the inactivity to his age, and throw in the career high weight, its conclusive: He wasn't even close to being a primed and conditioned Lennox Lewis.

He was not the same fighter that was in the ring with Tyson, or with Rahman the 2nd match.

The fact you can't admit or understand that is hard to get around.

Yes he won, but he was losing that fight, and some of those cuts under his eyes) came from headbutts, of which both were guilty.

That's really understating it.

He was up by one round in a 6 round fight. You don't speak about a fight like that in terms of scoring when the result was a TKO because one guys face was hamburger.

Vitali was competitive, but Lewis landed 50% of power shots in that fight. Without a doubt the heavier more telling blows of the fight. The result was 5 cuts for 60 - 80 stitches.

Lewis was prime for the taking in the state he was in, and Vitali couldn't take advantage. It became a slug fest, and
the fight was stopped because of the damage to Vitali's face.

The 2nd, and very "REAL" loss of his career.

[hollister]

There's no point discussing this, because you're blinded to the fact that you're wrong.

What I am, is stunned that someone would be willing to talk out of their ass, just to feel as though they have won an argument regardless of whether they are wrong or right.

He DID NOT come in physiclly near to what he had in the past.

A 1 year period of inactivity is going to dull him a bit when he's 36 years old. The "extra 5 - 10 lbs you speak about IS a noteworthy, because the only time he ever came above 250lbs was when he LOST to Rahman.

249lbs against Tyson

249lbs against Tua

250lbs against Botha

247lbs against Grant

247lbs against Mercer

248lbs against Butler

Although you are technically correct, as you can see, he flirted with 250lbs more than a couple of times in his career, and won all of those fights in convincing fashion, going 12 rounds with Tua, 10 rounds with Mercer, and even making it to round 8 with Tyson.

He had periods of 6, 8, and even 9 months in between his fights, on occasion. Something else I would like to point out is that his weight was never a factor in the Rahman fight, the deciding factor was his chin, coupled with the "I'm going to stick my left hand out and blind myself so that I can't see his right hand coming" defense. I still am not sure why Rahman tried to 1 up Lewis by sticking both of his arms out in the second fight.

He was up by one round in a 6 round fight.

Actually, he was down by two rounds, 4 for VK to 2 for Lewis, but who's counting?

[Bozo_no no]

You can't be helped.

The fact the only other time he weighed above 250 was when he got starched by Rahman speaks for itself. It was refective of the shape he was in. What may only seems like a few pounds is more than that
when we're talking about that weight being his peak condition.

At 256, he was 3 pounds heavier than when Rahman knokced him out, and he admitted at that time he wasn't in very good shape.

You're outright wrong, and you don't have a leg to stand on.


Carrer high weight + the 1 year activity + being 37 = Not a primed and sharp Lennox Lewis.


I really don't see how you can't admit you're wrong.

The point is, he wasn't in peak shape, he was ripe for the taking, and he still beat Vitali.