Vitali KlitschkO

[hollister]

Byrd was and still is available to fight Vitali, but that was never mentioned by Vitali or his camp. They elected to fight Rahman instead, and now that won't even happen for half a year.

We won't know how Wlad would do again until he puts himself in a position to make that fight. All that talk about Wlad fighting Byrd again was a joke. Wlad was brutally beaten by two guys that weren't ranked in the top 20 of any of the major 3 organizations at the time in his last 6 fights. There is NO WAY he deserved a shot at the IBF or any title for that matter at this point. He has a LONG way to go before he puts himself in a spot to fight for a title.

It doesn't matter Byrd isn't going to beat either of them no Matter when it takes place. He was beaten pretty badly by one guy with piss poor training habits and a big punch that few appreciate, but save the drama for someone else, because brutally beaten by two guys is a stretch.

[Bozo_no no]

Bozo, you're saying that Byrd is a better fighter? That if they fight again and again Byrd would beat him each time without a doubt?!
Because that's where you're heading!

I guess you don't play pool and you didn't understand my pool example I wrote about earlier... (twice)

Here is another scenario for you, Bozo!

Given:
2 Runners ..
Runner A is a lot faster than Runner B.

If in competition A twisted his ankle and fell (quit due to an injury)
B won the fight (as Bozo says "Because he kept running/fighting")

Question (for you Bozo):
Does it make B a better runner???? YES he got the win, BUT DOES IT MAKE HIM BETTER??

Does it make him the better fighter overall? Not necessarily. Until they fight again you can't say for sure, but as it is right now, career vs career, Byrd has the better resume without a doubt.

Did it make him the better fighter that night? YES, and that's the point. He kept fighting when Vitali couldn't, which = a win for Byrd, and a "REAL" loss for Vitali.

Again, this was all in response to your:

"He has never "REALLY" lost a fight" comment, wich was utterly false.

[Bozo_no no]

It doesn't matter Byrd isn't going to beat either of them no Matter when it takes place. He was beaten pretty badly by one guy with piss poor training habits and a big punch that few appreciate, but save the drama for someone else, because brutally beaten by two guys is a stretch.

You can think about it and word it however makes you feel better. The point is Wlad doesn't deserve to be fighting for the IBF title at this point, and you know it.

[hollister]

No what you're doing is making an assumption, and guessing.

You have no idea what Lewis would look like at 37 years old had he not been inactive for one year and had come in at better condition. You don't know that his skill and reflex would have been any better, because it had been a year since he had fought

I know that Lewis' decision to take time off and neglect his body were his own, and the ring rust and lack of conditioning that resulted were not results of father time, but results of his decisions, what the **** doesn't make sense about that?
I know that when you see a fighter perform at a given level for a certain amount of time, you can establish a pattern and make a pretty ****ing educated "guess" as to how the fighter will perform, if he or she is consistent. His sub-par performances were direct results of his own self-neglect, nothing more.

[hollister]

You can think about it and word it however makes you feel better. The point is Wlad doesn't deserve to be fighting for the IBF title at this point, and you know it.

He may not deserve to, but he will, without a doubt, beat Byrd decisively, as will VK, because he has learned his lesson about quitting, and that will not save Byrd this time. "Brutally beaten by two Guys", who's wording things to their liking?

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Does it make him the better fighter overall? Not necessarily. Until they fight again you can't say for sure, but as it is right now, career vs career, Byrd has the better resume without a doubt.

Did it make him the better fighter that night? YES, and that's the point. He kept fighting when Vitali couldn't, which = a win for Byrd, and a "REAL" loss for Vitali.

Again, this was all in response to your:

"He has never "REALLY" lost a fight" comment, wich was utterly false.

Byrd has a better resume?? HAHAHA

1 - Byrd was completely out boxed by the worse Klitchko
2 - Byrd was KOed by Ike Ibeabuchi
3 - Has a Draw with Golota
4 - Split decision with McCline
5 - Couldn't finish a washed up Holyfield who as you said was injured since the 1st round

Klitchko's resume:
35 Wins - 34 by KO

1st Loss to Byrd - would he have won the fight if he wasn't injured? ABSOLUTELY!
2nd Loss to Lewis - Would he have lost, or won the fight if the fight went on.. no one will ever know

[Bozo_no no]

I know that Lewis' decision to take time off and neglect his body were his own, and the ring rust and lack of conditioning that resulted were not results of father time, but results of his decisions, what the **** doesn't make sense about that?
I know that when you see a fighter perform at a given level for a certain amount of time, you can establish a pattern and make a pretty ****ing educated "guess" as to how the fighter will perform, if he or she is consistent. His sub-par performances were direct results of his own self-neglect, nothing more.

Again, all you're doing is guess and making assumptions.

Lewis wasn't the same fighter he was a few years ago at 37, and even under the best of circumstances, you don't know what his skills and relfexes would have looked like.

The only "educated guess" that's relevent here, it that if Vitali didn't have enough to take out an inacitve and career heavy Lewis, he certianly wan't going to have beaten a sharper one.

[hollister]

Again, all you're doing is guess and making assumptions.

Lewis wasn't the same fighter he was a few years ago at 37, and even under the best of circumstances, you don't know what his skills and relfexes would have looked like.

The only "educated guess" that's relevent here, it that if Vitali didn't have enough to take out an inacitve and career heavy Lewis, he certianly wan't going to have beaten a sharper one.

relevant because you made it, right?

****ing moron

[Bozo_no no]

He may not deserve to, but he will, without a doubt, beat Byrd decisively, as will VK, because he has learned his lesson about quitting, and that will not save Byrd this time. "Brutally beaten by two Guys", who's wording things to their liking?

We'll talk about that when it happens, and in both cases, its up to Wlad and Vitali.

Up to Vitali to rehabilitate himself and deal with Rahman 1st, and Wlad to not get beaten by fringe contenders long enough to secure a ranking to fight for a title.

[hollister]

I know that Lewis' decision to take time off and neglect his body were his own, and the ring rust and lack of conditioning that resulted were not results of father time, but results of his decisions, what the **** doesn't make sense about that?
I know that when you see a fighter perform at a given level for a certain amount of time, you can establish a pattern and make a pretty ****ing educated "guess" as to how the fighter will perform, if he or she is consistent. His sub-par performances were direct results of his own self-neglect, nothing more.