Vitali KlitschkO

[tracylee]

Sorry, I didn't mean to compare him with Ruiz or anything, as there were plenty of fights where his opponents never really got close enough for that type of thing. I only meant that if you were one of the ones quick or luck enough to get inside, he wouldn't allow you to stay there and work. He'd either punch and push off, or tie you up. I have seen him lean on opponents from time to time, many larger fighters do it. I only meant to say that with his style and size, he could still have had some fights left in him, if that had been his choice.

Lol, no problems here I had just been doing my best to keep up with the thread and read everyones views, and I got to that one and though "WHAT"??? I know so many people dont like him and other than a rematch with Vitali are glad he retired..but he was (in my opinion anyway) much better than he's given credit for. Winning gold in the olympics would have been impossible with only those 2 antics..especially considering how they score in the amateurs. I'd like to think he carried some of that over into his pro career. Just cause he wasnt a thug outside of the ring and played chess...was a very smart man who used his brain in the ring too, so many dont like him. I think those are the very things I like about him the most...he has class that is so opposite of what Tyson stood for, and thats just so rare in this sport.

[Bozo_no no]

That just shows how ****** and stubborn you are. Now everyone who reads that post will see how you've tried to change the original point of my post time and again. If you had taken the time to read entire posts before responding, you wouldn't look so childish and blinded by wanting to be right. I asked you for an explanation of how and why I was wrong in my point(s), and all you came up with was "No, that's not it" and "you're wrong", with no real explanation as to why. If you don't want to bother with reading my posts, that's fine, because I promise you that others will. That response, coupled with the fact that you tried to compare Lewis' situation with Ali's in the first place will only add to your ignorant, foolish image. By the way, what is "fan" short for? The fact alone that you have been willing to argue the point with me for so long leads me to believe you're a "fan" too.

You never had any point. I told you I used Ali and Louis as examples, and if you didn't like that you could look at almost any Heavyweight champion and see how they've began to deteriorate AFTER the age of 35. I explained to you how everything you said about "IF" he hadn't been inactive and trained harder, YOU DON'T KNOW that the effects of his age wouldn't have kicked in.

But that's a moot point, because a career heavy, 37 year old inactive Lewis was enough to beat Klitschko.

I didn't read your 10 0000 word run on sentence / essay, because its clear you're full of ****.

Like I said, you 've proven over and over that you've gone far beyond the term "fan" in regards to the Klitschko's, and are a full on fanatic.

From "I know what you were implying about Wlad" to trying to hang on to some shread of a point here, you're just nothing more than a first class NUT HUGGER.

[hollister]

Like I said, if anyone actually "READS" My post, and agrees that my logic is as incomprehensible as Bo Bo here makes it sound, which was NOT that VK fought a primed and conditioned Lewis, but that with Lewis' size and style could still have been as successful as he had been in the past, provided he came in to fight in shape, let me know.

[hollister]

I didn't read your 10 0000 word run on sentence / essay, because its clear you're full of ****.

You didn't read it because you didn't wasnt to be faced again with the voice of reason, and the prospect of acknowledging that my points were valid and could have been true.

Like I said, you 've proven over and over that you've gone far beyond the term "fan" in regards to the Klitschko's, and are a full on fanatic.

You have yet to tell us what "fan" is short for, and you also have yet to show me where I said that VK fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis, or that my point had anything to do with that.

[Bozo_no no]

Like I said, if anyone actually "READS" My post, and agrees that my logic is as incomprehensible as Bo Bo here makes it sound, which was NOT that VK fought a primed and conditioned Lewis, but that with Lewis' size and style could still have been as successful as he had been in the past, provided he came in to fight in shape, let me know.

Again, guess work.

The fact remains he didn't show up in the shape and condition he had a year or two back, and Vitali still couldn't pull the trigger. Lewis was prime for the taking, and Vitali failed to take advantage.

The lengths you'll go to to make yourself feel better about it are outright laughable.

Lewis wasn't near peak shape, Vitali still lost.

Deal with it.

[Bozo_no no]

You didn't read it because you didn't wasnt to be faced again with the voice of reason, and the prospect of acknowledging that my points were valid and could have been true.

I didn't read it, because you spout non sense it short form that's a waste of my time to read. Why would I waste my time reading your non sense in a long and drawn out form?

You have yet to tell us what "fan" is short for, and you also have yet to show me where I said that VK fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis, or that my point had anything to do with that.

There's a difference between being a fan, and a fanatic.

You're a Klitschko NUT HUGGER. You might as well be their mother.

I saw that right away in that thread about Wlad where you jumped all over me for things I didn't say, and now in this thread arguring with me for 20 posts about what shape Lewis was in.

Even if you were correct that he could have been in peak shape at 37 had he put in the training and been active, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Vitali couldn't even beat an inacitve career Heavy 37 year old Lewis. It's a USELESS point.

A usless point, from a Klitschko fanatic that's useless to have a Klitschko discussion with.

[hollister]

Again, guess work.

The fact remains he didn't show up in the shape and condition he had a year or two back, and Vitali still couldn't pull the trigger. Lewis was prime for the taking, and Vitali failed to take advantage.

The lengths you'll go to to make yourself feel better about it are outright laughable.

Lewis wasn't near peak shape, Vitali still lost.

Deal with it.

Who the **** is saying VK didn't lose?

Who the **** is saying he fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis?

The answer is YOU, you ****ing ******.

You're the one making this about something you can argue with, because you know you can't argue my actual points.

The last time Lewis fought in fighting shape, he dominated. That's regardless of opponents, star alignments, etc. PERIOD.

Again, being 10lbs over his last fighting weight does NOT constitute being fat and out of shape. He was heavy, but he was a far cry from being Fat Bastard.

So go ahead, keep omitting the parts of my posts you don't like in your quotes, because you can't delete them from the original posts lol

[hollister]

I'm going to say it again, My original point was not about

whether VK fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis, it was about

how capable Lewis was at his age of retirement, and whether or

not he had retired simply because he wanted to, or whether he

retired because his health and age would have prevented him from

being successful, regardless of conditioning.

[Bozo_no no]

Who the **** is saying VK didn't lose?

Who the **** is saying he fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis?

The answer is YOU, you ****ing ******.

You're the one making this about something you can argue with, because you know you can't argue my actual points.

The last time Lewis fought in fighting shape, he dominated. That's regardless of opponents, star alignments, etc. PERIOD.

Again, being 10lbs over his last fighting weight does NOT constitute being fat and out of shape. He was heavy, but he was a far cry from being Fat Bastard.

So go ahead, keep omitting the parts of my posts you don't like in your quotes, because you can't delete them from the original posts lol

Uh oh, Looney toons is getting mad!


Why don't you enlighten me as to what your point is then, you nut hugger?

I piped up because of the 1st post of this thread talking about Vitali's two losses not being real.

What's your point?

That if Lennox Lewis hadn't been inactive and had trained a lot harder he may have Beaten Klitschko more clearly?

Good job.

You don't have a point. You never do in Klitschko threads. You just have a bunch of built up frustration and are looking to take it out on anyone that has a critisism of them by arguing on and on about little meaningless items.


Add that to the fact that you don't understand how Lewis weighing 256 was evident of the conditioning and shape he was in, and you're the one who's an idiot.

You're ******, you're wounded, and you're a fanatical nut hugger.

[hollister]

I'm going to say it again, My original point was not about

whether VK fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis, it was about

how capable Lewis was at his age of retirement, and whether or

not he had retired simply because he wanted to, or whether he

retired because his health and age would have prevented him from

being successful, regardless of conditioning.

Is it that you can't read it, or that you can't comprehend it?

You said Lewis should have retired after the Tyson fight, and directly invited other to look at Ali's state at the same age. I said comparing Lewis, who would have been dominant in any other fight for sure except VK, and maybe would have still beaten VK had he been in shape, was an unfair comparison to the extent that it is insulting. Of course, we'll never know now whether Lewis would have beaten VK with proper time to prepare, since VK had the same two weeks to prepare that Lewis did.