Seriously why dont hopkin fans want this match-up?

[ИATAS]

Dawson has already beat 3 fighters who were in the top 5 in the LHW division. The only one left is Hopkins. If Hopkins doesn't step up, I'm sure we'll see Cloud and Pascal in the mix.

And hopkins already DOMINATED the two guys Dawson beat - Glen Johnson (hopkins actually STOPPED) and Tarver Hopkins whooped him when he was King of LHW.

Hopkins also fought Calzaghe, who obviously was a legit LH fighter since he was the champion after taking it from hopkins and further went on to school jones.

So there are two things involved for hopkins - legacy & money. Lets take a look:

1. Money - there is very little to be made against Dawson. Dawsons last several fights, against Johnson and Tarver, did horribly at the gates. They couldn't even give out enough free tickets to get decent attendances. Dawsons ratings on HBO & Showtime were also very poor.

2. Legacy - Hopkins beating either Adamek or Haye would add tremendously to his legacy. Against Adamek a 3rd lineal title in as many weight classes, and against Haye he would do what only Roy Jones has done - but at age 45 it would be insane. Beating Dawson is similar to beating pavlik - two young undefeated guys that have not made a legacy for themselves yet. We don't know if Dawson will ever be a great fighter or an all time great, hall of fame type of guy.

To me, if I'm hopkins it's a no brainer - make more money & fight for legacy.

Again, I have no problem with a hopkins/dawson fight, but I'm warning you now - dawson will look really poor in that fight and whether win or lose these boards are going to crazy about how overrated/untalented dawson is.

[Heru]

No. I don't have any hate towards Hopkins, but I feel this is Dawson's time. You become a name by beating a name. Yes, it will most likely be a boring fight, but in order for Dawson to become the name he needs to be, Hopkins must be put down.

Dawson has already beat 3 fighters who were in the top 5 in the LHW division. The only one left is Hopkins. If Hopkins doesn't step up, I'm sure we'll see Cloud and Pascal in the mix.

I didn't say you had any hate toward Hopkins. I like Dawson, he's a great boxer, but I don't want to see Hopkins-Dawson.

Dawson is Pascal's mandatory, he should fight the Pascal-Diaconu winner and then fight a rusty Cloud, since we know he'll be coming off a year layoff.

They would be good fight against fellow young guns, that he would probably win and afterward just fight Bute or the winner of the Super 6. A boring decision win over Hopkins won't make him a name when he already has HBO backing. Hopkins isn't a big enough name to make him a PPV star.

[2501]

I didn't say you had any hate toward Hopkins. I like Dawson, he's a great boxer, but I don't want to see Hopkins-Dawson.

Dawson is Pascal's mandatory, he should fight the Pascal-Diaconu winner and then fight a rusty Cloud, since we know he'll be coming off a year layoff.

They would be good fight against fellow young guns, that he would probably win and afterward just fight Bute or the winner of the Super 6. A boring decision win over Hopkins won't make him a name when he already has HBO backing. Hopkins isn't a big enough name to make him a PPV star.

I don't see any fighters other than WW's doing PPV's any time soon.

[2501]

Again, I have no problem with a hopkins/dawson fight, but I'm warning you now - dawson will look really poor in that fight and whether win or lose these boards are going to crazy about how overrated/untalented dawson is.

It's a fight that should be made. I doubt Dawson will look poor in the fight and I think I'll make a analytical thread about the possible match up explaining why and we can have a debate regarding the styles match up.

As far as these boards, nothing we say ever means **** in the real world.

[SplitSecond]

And hopkins already DOMINATED the two guys Dawson beat - Glen Johnson (hopkins actually STOPPED) and Tarver Hopkins whooped him when he was King of LHW.

Hopkins also fought Calzaghe, who obviously was a legit LH fighter since he was the champion after taking it from hopkins and further went on to school jones.

So there are two things involved for hopkins - legacy & money. Lets take a look:

1. Money - there is very little to be made against Dawson. Dawsons last several fights, against Johnson and Tarver, did horribly at the gates. They couldn't even give out enough free tickets to get decent attendances. Dawsons ratings on HBO & Showtime were also very poor.

2. Legacy - Hopkins beating either Adamek or Haye would add tremendously to his legacy. Against Adamek a 3rd lineal title in as many weight classes, and against Haye he would do what only Roy Jones has done - but at age 45 it would be insane. Beating Dawson is similar to beating pavlik - two young undefeated guys that have not made a legacy for themselves yet. We don't know if Dawson will ever be a great fighter or an all time great, hall of fame type of guy.

To me, if I'm hopkins it's a no brainer - make more money & fight for legacy.

Again, I have no problem with a hopkins/dawson fight, but I'm warning you now - dawson will look really poor in that fight and whether win or lose these boards are going to crazy about how overrated/untalented dawson is.

stopping an OBVIOUSLY green johnson that had no idea what he was doing is completely differrent to dominating the beast dawson fought

[Bhopreign]

Dawson shuts guys out and this board largely criticizes him for being boring. Imagine if he fought Hopkins, who nobody looks good against, Dawson's stock would plummet even further, win or lose.

[ИATAS]

It's a fight that should be made.

In your opinion though. I mean it's hopkins career, he's 45 years old, if he wants to chase legacy and fight adamek and/or david haye after such a great career, what's the problem, who is going to blame him? Will the historians years from now be like, "well hopkins ducked a young fighter in Chad Dawson at the age of 45 to instead fight two guys much bigger than him!" lol no way.

I doubt Dawson will look poor in the fight and I think I'll make a analytical thread about the possible match up explaining why and we can have a debate regarding the styles match up.

I've debated a potential dawson-hopkins fight for like a year now.

As far as these boards, nothing we say ever means **** in the real world

ha good point

[Bhopreign]

stopping an OBVIOUSLY green johnson that had no idea what he was doing is completely differrent to dominating the beast dawson fought

Since your hero got KOed in the wee hours of the morning, youve gone on a Hopkins rampage?

[ИATAS]

stopping an OBVIOUSLY green johnson that had no idea what he was doing is completely differrent to dominating the beast dawson fought

The 40 year old version beast of johnson? Come on bro, johnson is past his best days.

Incredibly green at 32-0??? I agree johnson developed into a better fighter since then, but he was a solid fighter at 32-0 and hopkins schooling the **** out of him and even stopping him says something about hopkins.

[ИATAS]

Since your hero got KOed in the wee hours of the morning, youve gone on a Hopkins rampage?

clearly. It's funny how the mind works of insecure people.