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  • #71
    Originally posted by Spear View Post
    LOL!!!!

    Floyd doesnt have any truly great fighters in his resume. All he has is old oscar, diego corrales who is at best a very good fighter never will be great, & jose luis castillo who will never get to the hall of fame.

    Pacquiao has morales, barerra, marquez, & oscar.
    I guess Floyd didnt dominate DLH at 154, and devastate Marquez....

    I guess most people don't think Marquez at least won one of those fights....

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    • #72
      Originally posted by Spear View Post
      LOL!!!!

      Floyd doesnt have any truly great fighters in his resume. All he has is old oscar, diego corrales who is at best a very good fighter never will be great, & jose luis castillo who will never get to the hall of fame.

      Pacquiao has morales, barerra, marquez, & oscar.
      I would not even considered Oscar great to be honest. He never beat a great fighter. I think Oscar is borderline great. I know Barrera for a fact is better than Oscar.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by JohnCIV6 View Post
        I guess Floyd didnt dominate DLH at 154, and devastate Marquez....

        I guess most people don't think Marquez at least won one of those fights....
        I am sorry what weightclass was those fights again? Cuz if weightclass don't matter than Pac didn't lose a round agaisnt Oscar while Floyd did lose 3 arguably 4...

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        • #74
          Originally posted by DLT View Post
          Serious question. No trolling or smart remarks.

          When I say kill, I mean if Floyd dominates him wether thats the way he did Chico or Gatti or N'Dou or JMM or how MAB did Naz. I know all those fights were different kinds so thats my point, whatever way you want to take it.

          Pac was considered at ATG after the Cotto win and Ive seen some writers say thats he's on the Ray Robinson level while others like Burt Sugar have said that he's better than Sweet Pea. Alot of people have said that he's the best of this era and they would rank him over Floyd even if he loses. However, if Floyd kills him then what will people say about both guys?

          Would alot of people take back that ATG stuff about Pac? Would he still be an ATG but just dropped really low. Would people not see it as a big loss and say that he's still one of the best ever but Floyd was just too big. Would he still be considered the best of this era? Would he be higher than Floyd on the ATG list? Would suddenly those same wins that everyone praised him for, now start to not look so great? Remember, Im not talking about just losing but if Floyd dominates him.

          Where would Floyd rank on the ATG list? Would he now jump ahead of Pac suddenly? Would he be considered the best of this era? Would that make the JMM win suddenly look 10x better if he were able to beat Pac just as easily as he did JMM? Would they instead say that if he beat Pac that easy then it proves that he was just too big and Pac is still P4P better or ATG better. Would Floyd get the same hype that Pac got after the Cotto win or will people still not look at him in that same light? Would all of his accomplishments suddenly look better? Would people give him super credit for dominating a great fighter and easily beating the top 2 guys in the sport after 2 years off or will they say that he cherry picked both guys and the wins mean nothing special because they were moving up?

          Would people now switch there thoughts on JMM and how a JMM-Pac fight would play out at the higher weights if Floyd beat Pac just as easily as he did Juan. There are more questions but you get the hint. How will people see that victory by Floyd and does he move past Pac in every way or does Pac stay in front of him in alot of ways?
          simply the answer to this lies in boxing history, try pick an ATGs and see if after they have lost a fight especially later in their carrers their standing diminished, for ex, does the lost of ALI to holmes made him a lesser boxer? no i dont think so. being ATG doesnt depend on one fight alone, being ATG is the sum total of his achievements. losing at this stage of mannys carreer is just another bad day at the office. he is already at that level.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
            I would not even considered Oscar great to be honest. He never beat a great fighter. I think Oscar is borderline great. I know Barrera for a fact is better than Oscar.
            this is what im talking about. how did floyd become this all time great fighter when the best name on his resume is corrales, castillo, & old oscar? i dont understand. almost every single great legend of the sport has at least one true great fighter in his resume.

            floyd has absolutely zero.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
              I am sorry what weightclass was those fights again?
              That's not the point.. Floyd dominated Marquez... Ok at a weight Marquez shouldn't have been at yes.. You can't say Floyd wouldn't have dominated at any weight though....

              There was no excuse for Pac against Marquez.. If not for his Knockdowsn he loses both fights, and may have anyways.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by JohnCIV6 View Post
                ok here is a better question..

                Name a relevant fighter pac has beat that wasn't either old, weight drained, or been devastated by a previous fight.
                another dumb question

                Emmanuel Lucero, Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov, Marco Antonio Barrera 1, Hector Velazquez, Ricky Hatton, and Miguel Cotto

                Now tell me the Welterweights that Floyd should have fought but instead chose to go on a premature retirement.
                Last edited by peyk-peyk; 11-26-2009, 08:16 PM.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by tibbar View Post
                  simply the answer to this lies in boxing history, try pick an ATGs and see if after they have lost a fight especially later in their carrers their standing diminished, for ex, does the lost of ALI to holmes made him a lesser boxer? no i dont think so. being ATG doesnt depend on one fight alone, being ATG is the sum total of his achievements. losing at this stage of mannys carreer is just another bad day at the office. he is already at that level.
                  problem is ali wasn't prime

                  Pac is

                  2 prime fighters

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by peyk-peyk View Post
                    another dumb question

                    Emmanuel Lucero, Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov, Marco Antonio Barrera 1, Hector Velazquez, Ricky Hatton, and Miguel Cotto
                    he said drained and not devastated in the previous fight.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by Spear View Post
                      this is what im talking about. how did floyd become this all time great fighter when the best name on his resume is corrales, castillo, & old oscar? i dont understand. almost every single great legend of the sport has at least one true great fighter in his resume.

                      floyd has absolutely zero.
                      put it this way if mab and morales are pacs great fighter floyd would eat those guys alive no questioning that sorry ...but come on man give credit where credit is due floyd is atg and so is pac
                      but i meen u typing like u ready to die if pac loses

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