What Happeneds If Floyd Kills Pac?

[hugh grant]

this is what im talking about. how did floyd become this all time great fighter when the best name on his resume is corrales, castillo, & old oscar? i dont understand. almost every single great legend of the sport has at least one true great fighter in his resume.

floyd has absolutely zero.

The rules dont seem to apply for PBF. People, ie his fans seem to want PBF to become an ATG on the basis that he is has been hard to hit against fighters who werent really great and he out pointed them really well in the process.

That's not the point.. Floyd dominated Marquez... Ok at a weight Marquez shouldn't have been at yes.. You can't say Floyd wouldn't have dominated at any weight though....

There was no excuse for Pac against Marquez.. If not for his Knockdowsn he loses both fights, and may have anyways.

There is no excuse for PBF only being able to knock JMM down once when Pac did it 3 times. Comeon pac already softened him up for PBF.

[JohnCIV6]

Im done arguing about this..

Pac is a consensus top 30 at least ATG.. Thats for sure... Cool..

Floyd is a consensus top 50 ATG... Thats for sure... Cool.

After they fight, whoever wins will considerably move up the ATG list. It's complete bs if you say otherwise for either fighter.

The fighter who lose may drop a few spots/stay the same..

[peyk-peyk]

I guess margarito didn't destroy him.

I guarantee the training is why Cotto didn't look as impressive after round 5 or 6.

wow, you even chose Cotto beating Pacquiao before the fight and now you're telling me that Cotto is damaged goods.

Please stop embarrassing yourself...

[JohnCIV6]

wow, you even chose Cotto beating Pacquiao before the fight and now you're telling me that Cotto is damaged goods.

Please stop embarrassing yourself...

When did I pick Cotto before the fight you door knob?

I'm pretty sure I picked pac.. I picked pac, because I wanted him to face Mayweather.

[GG Marquez]

Barrera in the first Pac fight?

So, Pac accomplished exactly what Junior Jones did?

[jrosales13]

So, Pac accomplished exactly what Junior Jones did?

If that is the way you want to look at it sure. Are you saying even though Barrera lost to Junior Jones that Barrera is not a great fighter?

[Spear]

The rules dont seem to apply for PBF. People, ie his fans seem to want PBF to become an ATG on the basis that he is has been hard to hit against fighters who werent really great and he out pointed them really well in the process.



There is no excuse for PBF only being able to knock JMM down once when Pac did it 3 times. Comeon pac already softened him up for PBF.

thank you very much. i know im not the only one that feels this way. every great legend has a notable great fighter in his resume. floyd has nothing. but the fact that he is undefeated & keeps on talking about how nobody will beat him & he is the greatest of all time, it somehow tricks people into thinking he is as great as he claim he is.

Look at his resume no truly great fighter on it

[Spear]

2009-09-19 146 Juan Manuel Marquez 142 50-4-1



2007-12-08 147 Ricky Hatton 145 43-0-0


2007-05-05 150 Oscar De La Hoya 154 38-4-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12


2006-11-04 146 Carlos Manuel Baldomir 147 43-9-6




2006-04-08 146 Zab Judah 145½ 34-3-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12



2005-11-19 147 Sharmba Mitchell 145¼ 56-4-0

Rose Garden, Portland, Oregon, United States W TKO 6 12


2005-06-25 139 Arturo Gatti 140 39-6-0

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W RTD 6 12



2005-01-22 139 Henry Bruseles 138¾ 21-2-1

Am


2004-05-22 140 DeMarcus Corley 140 28-2-1



2003-11-01 135 Phillip N'dou 134½ 31-1-0



2003-04-19 134 Victoriano Sosa 134 35-2-2


2002-12-07 134 Jose Luis Castillo 135 46-5-1



2002-04-20 134 Jose Luis Castillo 134½ 45-4-1




2001-11-10 129½ Jesus Chavez 129½ 35-1-0



2001-05-26 130 Carlos Hernandez 128½ 33-2-1



2001-01-20 130 Diego Corrales 130 33-0-0


2000-10-21 134 Emanuel Augustus 134 22-16-4

Cobo Hall, Detroit, Michigan, United States W TKO 9 10



2000-03-18 130 Gregorio Vargas 130 40-6-1

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12



1999-09-11 130 Carlos Gerena 130 34-2-0




1999-05-22 130 Justin Juuko 130 33-2-1





1999-02-17 130 Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios 129 44-2-1


1998-12-19 130 Angel Manfredy 130 25-2-1

Miccosukee Indian Gam



1998-10-03 130 Genaro Hernandez 130 38-1-1

Las Vegas Hilton, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W RTD 8 12




1998-06-14 130 Tony Pep 132 39-6-0

Trump Taj Mahal, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 10 10



1998-04-18 130¼ Gustavo Fabian Cuello 130¼ 20-7-0

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10

~ referee: Jon Schorle | 99-90 | 99-90 | 99-90 ~



1998-03-23 133 Miguel Melo 133 8-1-0

Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, Connecticut, United States W TKO 3 10

~ time: 2:30 | referee: Steve Smoger | judge: Glenn Feldman ~



1998-02-28 130 Sam Girard 132 17-4-1

Ballys Park Plac


1998-01-09 132 Hector Arroyo 133 16-4-2

Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States W TKO 5 10

~ time: 1:21 | referee: Fred Steinwinder III ~



1997-11-20 130 Angelo Nunez 133½ 14-11-3

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 3 8

~ time:

1997-10-14 133½ Felipe Garcia 130 20-18-1

Bank of America Centre, Boise, Idaho, United States W KO 6 8

~ time: 2:56 | referee: Jerry Armstrong ~



1997-09-06 131 Louie Leija 132 18-3-1

County Coliseum, El Paso, Texas, United States W TKO 2 10



1997-07-12 130½ Jesus Chavez 130 1-13-1

Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States W TKO 5 6

~ referee: Paul Sita | judge: Robert Wil



1997-06-14 132 Larry O'Shields 131¾ 12-3-1

Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas, United States W UD 6 6



1997-05-09 129½ Tony Duran 133 12-15-1

Orleans Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 6

~ time: 1:12 | referee: Toby Gibson ~



1997-04-12 132 Bobby Giepert 133 19-8-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 6

1997-03-12 132 Kino Rodriguez 130 9-9-2

Stadium Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W TKO 1 6

~ time: 1:44 | referee: Frank Garza ~
Rodriguez down from a left hook to the body.



1997-02-01 133 Edgar Ayala 131
Swiss Park Hall, Chula Vista, California, United States W TKO 2 4

~ time: 1:39 | referee: Chuck Hassett ~
Pro debut for Ayala.



1997-01-18 130 Jerry Cooper 129½ 6-3-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 4

~ time: 1:39 | referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Al Lefkowitz | judge: Paul Smith | judge: Glenn Trowbridge ~



1996-11-30 131 Reggie Sanders 132½ 1-1-0

Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, New Mexico, United States W UD 4 4

~ referee: Larry Chavez | judge: Levi Martinez 40-36 | judge: William Gantt 40-36 | judge: Sandy Pino 39-37 ~



1996-10-11 131 Roberto Apodaca

[peyk-peyk]

When did I pick Cotto before the fight you door knob?

I'm pretty sure I picked pac.. I picked pac, because I wanted him to face Mayweather.

Now, the ****** **** is lying

try to learn boxing before even posting here dumb****

[lee majors]

Good question, As far a Pac is concerned, I have the feelinf that Pac well be championed as an ATG even if he were dominated by Mayweather. Mayweather, however, seems to be in a situation where if we were to dominate Pac, he'd pretty much remain at the same level in the eyes of most critics. Also, if Floyd were to beat Shane/Berto and there by effectively clearing out the WW, he'd still remain at the level he's at now. He's perceived superiority over his contemporaries has place him in a predicament where he's thwarted by a glass ceiling. Say Floyd were to grab a MW title from Kelly Pavlik, in reality, that feat would be as great or greater than Pac whooping Cotto. However, being that Manny started at 16yrs and at such a young age, he's accomplishments are magnified even more. In reality, Manny Pac, at 32, well probably be a bigger man p4p than Mayweather is currently. Basically, Floyd to good to be appreciated and at the same time, hated to much for the clandestine admiration to be a acknowledged, outwardly. Hell, people in this very thread have opponents mapped out for Floyd that would have him fighting into his mid-thirties. By the time he's faces his next opponent after Pac, he'll be older that Sweet Pea was when he fought Dela hoya. Meanwhile, if he beats Pac and Shane, that's five HOF'er/2ATG in his last 5 opponents. It's all about him losing.