Pacqiuao vs Mayweather: a serious compubox analysis

[Pullcounter]

For all that said..Ive noticed your pretty much the type of poster that hangs on the fence and then jumps on the winner bandwagon while laughing and hating on the loser.
Not word for word, but you basically said, Cotto will beat Pac because he is larger, he is too big, then said if Pac beats Cotto, Cotto should retire, basically undermining Pacs win. Then when Pac wins you try and "show up " Cotto fans.
For all your stats.....FLOYD IS BIGGER.

that's cause you cotto stans don't listen and only focus on my negative comments.

my prediction for the fight was the same as mangler's:

cotto better KO or hurt pac badly before th 6th round or he will gass and lose by late stoppage or decision.

I wasn't bandwagoning. its just me and mangler are geniuses and understood the questions involved in the pac/cotto fight.

[The Gambler1981]

welll if you don't do the work then you don't have numbers to support your argument, all you have is a hypothesis.

In any case, floyd's defensive tactics such as running and clinching negates both their offenses, not just pac's, so ultimately, pac will still be throwing more punches than floyd will, and therefore still outlanding floyd.

sorry *****s.


This argument about averages is not a real argument at all. these are floyd's and pac's average punch stats, it has nothing to do with their status as boxing's best boxers.

if you think I'm twisting the numbers then show me how I'm twisting them, don't just say that I'm twisting them and think you've won the argument. that's unintellectual. I understand that you're too lazy to crunch the numbers themselves, but by default that means my argument still stands.



I don't think you understand why olympic scoring is bad. It's bad because boxers stop punching hard and just play a game of tag. but that has nothing to do with this analysis because pac is trying to KO his opponents, I suspect floyd wants to put the hurt on his opponents as well, but based on his style you'd think he was playing tag as well.



WRONG! even a child knows when a punch is landed... what real boxing fans don't like is that punch stats don't capture the quality of the punches.

but I have already addressed this in a previous post, eventually quality of punches will force a stoppage or a dramatic reduction of punch output from the opponent.

example: cotto was throwing a lot of punches early w/ pac, but once he got knocked down and gassed, his punch output dropped dramatically.

my analysis still stands, because *****s won't engage the numbers, they just want to make generalizations and run, duck, and dodge around the analysis.

You typed all that and said nothing, average numbers from previous fights are pretty much meaningless in a new fight. Unless the fights are against similar opponents to the guy they are facing.

You failed to grasp my point again. Statistics can be used to prove any point, there is always a way to use number to prove a point that you want.

Punches landed are not that simple and punchstat numbers get bitcha t all the time just like Olympic scoring. Punches landed are not like yards gained, strike outs, saves or any other stat that involves no real judgment it is or it is not, now some punches are easy to score as landed but others not so much, what one guys calls a landed punch may not be what some other guy calls a landed punch.


I take it as I hurt your feelings because you seem to be calling names and I only broke down you analysis and called it flawed, which it is for the reasons I listed. Make a better arguement and you won't have to resort to such weak name calling~.

[boxing2106]

you better hope pacs knee gets better if u want him to cut the ring off vs floyd.. nd i would only agree with you if you actually made a prediction prior to this one but i guess i wont agree with you cuz any fighter can throw more or less in a complete different fight because of thier opponent.. my trainer always tells me dont throw punches that dont mean nothing nd thats what pac will do vs floyd

[Bhopreign]

Bad analysis from a Floyd hater. You forgot to add the element that Floyd doesnt get hit.

[Pullcounter]

You typed all that and said nothing,

I addressed all your points and presented a counter argument

average numbers from previous fights are pretty much meaningless in a new fight. Unless the fights are against similar opponents to the guy they are facing.

I've already considered this in my limitations section of the first post, but still:

Dr. Carl Sagan: "You have to know the past to understand the present."

You failed to grasp my point again. Statistics can be used to prove any point, there is always a way to use number to prove a point that you want.

I get your point but you don't get mines. you can't just state this generalization and think it destroys all arguments based on stats. you have to actually engage the analysis and the stats and prove why they are wrong or being used wrongly.

Punches landed are not that simple and punchstat numbers get bitcha t all the time just like Olympic scoring. Punches landed are not like yards gained, strike outs, saves or any other stat that involves no real judgment it is or it is not, now some punches are easy to score as landed but others not so much, what one guys calls a landed punch may not be what some other guy calls a landed punch.

c'mon man, its elementary. if a punch lands on the gloves, its a miss. if a punch lands on the face, body, its a connect.

my criticism of punchstats is that they should have at least 3 persons counting punches for each boxer and use the combination of those results to come up with stats.

I take it as I hurt your feelings because you seem to be calling names and I only broke down you analysis and called it flawed, which it is for the reasons I listed. Make a better arguement and you won't have to resort to such weak name calling~.

I don't give a **** what *****s think... I just can't find a better way to describe them and I don't bother to know your usernames. sorry if I offended you *****.

you didn't break down my analysis, you try to make excuses to duck and dodge the stats. every excuse you made has been addressed.

[Pullcounter]

you better hope pacs knee gets better if u want him to cut the ring off vs floyd.. nd i would only agree with you if you actually made a prediction prior to this one but i guess i wont agree with you cuz any fighter can throw more or less in a complete different fight because of thier opponent.. my trainer always tells me dont throw punches that dont mean nothing nd thats what pac will do vs floyd

that's the reason why rocky juarez and clottey always loses... because they won't let their hands go.

vegas judges favor the aggressor...

I'm not predicting pac by KO... I'm predicting Pac wins a close fight. based on some of these guys posts, you'd think I was predicting pac was gonna wipe the floor with floyd.

Bad analysis from a Floyd hater. You forgot to add the element that Floyd doesnt get hit.

the numbers are impartial and so is the math. don't believe it? check it for yourself.

the element that floyd doesn't get hit is already integrated in the stats... it's the number associated with floyd's opponent's connect percentage, which certainly is low, but which pac's punch output overcomes.

[The Gambler1981]

I addressed all your points and presented a counter argument


I've already considered this in my limitations section of the first post, but still:

Dr. Carl Sagan: "You have to know the past to understand the present."


I get your point but you don't get mines. you can't just state this generalization and think it destroys all arguments based on stats. you have to actually engage the analysis and the stats and prove why they are wrong or being used wrongly.


c'mon man, its elementary. if a punch lands on the gloves, its a miss. if a punch lands on the face, body, its a connect.

my criticism of punchstats is that they should have at least 3 persons counting punches for each boxer and use the combination of those results to come up with stats.


I don't give a **** what *****s think... I just can't find a better way to describe them and I don't bother to know your usernames. sorry if I offended you *****.

you didn't break down my analysis, you try to make excuses to duck and dodge the stats. every excuse you made has been addressed.

Once again you typed all that and said nothing. For someone who does not care you are certainly typing alot to defend your arguement.

Punchstats are not hard stats there is a human element involved in determining a landed punch so basing a real statistcal alaysis is flawed from the start.

Averages punches landed do not mean anything if the next fight is against a guy that does not fight like the guys you are pulling the statistics from.

Your arguement is weak and flawed, and you have not said anything that mitigates these flaws. Numbers can be used to prove any point you wish~

[The Gambler1981]

the numbers are impartial and so is the math. don't believe it? check it for yourself.

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Numbers are impartial, but people who use them to prove a point are a different story.

[Bhopreign]

Once again you typed all that and said nothing. For someone who does not care you are certainly typing alot to defend your arguement.

Punchstats are not hard stats there is a human element involved in determining a landed punch so basing a real statistcal alaysis is flawed from the start.

Averages punches landed do not mean anything if the next fight is against a guy that does not fight like the guys you are pulling the statistics from.

Your arguement is weak and flawed, and you have not said anything that mitigates these flaws. Numbers can be used to prove any point you wish~

Great point. What so hard to understand about that? Plain common sense, thats why I never read the pre fight compubox analysis they put up here on boxingscene, you cant go by that when facing a different fighter, you cant simulate fights. Real time bring new real time results.

[Pullcounter]

Once again you typed all that and said nothing. For someone who does not care you are certainly typing alot to defend your arguement.

cause its my argument, who is gonna defend it if not me?

Punchstats are not hard stats there is a human element involved in determining a landed punch so basing a real statistcal alaysis is flawed from the start.

that's a losing argument because the human element is always involved in any analysis of the fight. if the human element makes the punchstats flawed then it makes your subjective judging also flawed.

Averages punches landed do not mean anything if the next fight is against a guy that does not fight like the guys you are pulling the statistics from.

I have admitted as such in the limitations of the analysis section, but this is compensated by the fact that both have never fought anyone quite like the other.

Your arguement is weak and flawed, and you have not said anything that mitigates these flaws.

I have addressed every one of your concerns and the analysis still stands. you have said my argument is weak and flawed, but I have refuted all your criticism. you have yet to prove that it actually is.

Numbers can be used to prove any point you wish~

if you truly believe this then take the numbers / stats provided by compubox and twist it to prove your point. I dare you.

Numbers are impartial, but people who use them to prove a point are a different story
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The numbers and the formula were both impartial. If floyd's numbers after the math came up better than pac's I would've still posted the thread and would've chose floyd to win.

Great point. What so hard to understand about that? Plain common sense, thats why I never read the pre fight compubox analysis they put up here on boxingscene, you cant go by that when facing a different fighter, you cant simulate fights. Real time bring new real time results.

based on compubox's pre-fight analysis of pac/cotto... it went pretty closely to what they predicted. was that just luck?