mayweather..overrated, a fraud, a ducker, etc

[Left Hook Tua]

Only a dumb boxing fan would think Pac would fight whoever the fans want him to fight, If thats the case please Pac why didnt fight Guzman when some fans wanted it?? Why not Valero when some fans were calling for it??? Does that mean Pac is a ducker and a fraud according to some people???

it's not a fair comparison to floyd at 130.

guzman and valero were not top fighters at 130 by the time pacquiao moved out of 130.

guzman and valero only became top fighters at 130 AFTER morales and barrera retired and pacquiao and marquez moved up to 135.

[PAKYO]

Pac will fight whoever his promoter and freddie roach feel will net them the most money, this idea that pac "fights who the fans want him too" is a whole lot of wishful thinking. no fighter does that unless his reputation will take a hit FINANCIALLY.

Mosley had his shot twice to slap floyds big mouth and only now, in desperation, does he care to fight him. I think in 2010, that fight might actually happen after 10 years of waiting.

Floyd isnt overrated at all, the only person who overrates floyd is himself.

Again, i ask you then, with floyd being an overrated fruad, what would that make pac for beating him? surely this win would be as big as say, oscar larios?

Definitely yes!

[Ray*]

140 wouldn't have been a problem if he had fought kostya.

i think kostya-mayweather was in talks but kostya went with hatton who was bigger money at the time. can't blame kostya since floyd wasn't a big draw yet and hatton was more money.

if kostya had a fair ref and had beaten hatton , floyd would probably have fought him. i think floyd could beat that version of kostya and his 140 resume wouldn't be questioned.

Tsyzu wanted to fight Gatti first then Mayweather before even entertaining his third option and mandatory in Hatton, The thing was Tsyzu was with showtime at the time and Hatton who was with Warren was also with showtime, Warren like you said also offer Tsyzu unbelievable money for him to come to England and the rest was history.

[Left Hook Tua]

You said you gave him a pass then you said in another post "What about freitas, Casa, Spada"...

You know the thing is i can tear down all the resume of all the top 3 in the P4P guy and make it look just like Mayweather's resume even pac resume.

i said in my first post i don't hold it against him at 130 and 135 because he fought the next best guy there.

the 2nd post was me talking to el jesus about it.



i don't want to talk to you about floyd. i know where you stand already. i don't need to rehash it again.

[Ray*]

it's not a fair comparison to floyd at 130.

guzman and valero were not top fighters at 130 by the time pacquiao moved out of 130.

guzman and valero only became top fighters at 130 AFTER morales and barrera retired and pacquiao and marquez moved up to 135.

Pac was at 130 from 2005 to 2008 and in those time Guzman was there and asked for a fight with Pac, In that time Pac fought Morales,Barrera,
JMM,Solis,larios(smaller man), Velazquez.

so you telling me he couldnt have fought Guzman in that time but he could have fought solis,larios and Velazquez???

And please note that am not questioning or critising Pac but just using the same standard you guys use to question everything that involves Mayweather.

[Ray*]

i said in my first post i don't hold it against him at 130 and 135 because he fought the next best guy there.

the 2nd post was me talking to el jesus about it.



i don't want to talk to you about floyd. i know where you stand already. i don't need to rehash it again.

Fine, i just like to use the same standard you guys sent for Mayweather and when someone does that it expose the reality in this situation. Discussion over.

[DiLLiNGER]

20-30 years from now Mayweather will just be remember as another good boxer.

what if he beats pacquiao?

[Left Hook Tua]

Pac was at 130 from 2005 to 2008 and in those time Guzman was there and asked for a fight with Pac, In that time Pac fought Morales,Barrera,
JMM,Solis,larios(smaller man), Velazquez.

so you telling me he couldnt have fought Guzman in that time but he could have fought solis,larios and Velazquez???

And please note that am not questioning or critising Pac but just using the same standard you guys use to question everything that involves Mayweather.

he had 8 fights at 130. 5 was with barrera , morales and marquez.

could he have fought guzman and valero in those other 3? yes but those 3 were tuneups before he fought morales and barrera again.

guzman and valero didn't become top ranked at 130 'til morales moved up to fight diaz at 135 , barrera retired after losing to marquez and pacquiao and 'til pacquiao and marquez moved up to 135.

it's not the same thing as freitas and casamayor at 130.

casamayor and freitas were not only undefeated champions but they were right behind mayweather in the rankings since 1999.

in pacquiao's 8 fights at 130 , he fought 5 times against guys ranked higher than guzman and valero.

in floyd's 8-9 fights at 130 from 1999 'til he left for 135 , he fought 1 guy ranked higher than freitas and casa. that was corrales.

it's not the same thing.

[PAKYO]

what if he beats pacquiao?

Props to him if he beats Pac convincingly like a brutal beatdown or a KO.

But if he beats Pac thru a 'devastating' SD due to potshotting while running, then what else can we say, he's the same fraud as he is?

[Left Hook Tua]

Fine, i just like to use the same standard you guys sent for Mayweather and when someone does that it expose the reality in this situation. Discussion over.

it's not the same.

only thing that compares is pac at 135 fighting diaz for a belt and floyd fighting gatti at 140 for a belt.

floyd's resume is not as bad as floyd haters make it out to be but it's not as good as you floyd fans make it out to be either.