Explain why Pac should Call the shots for this fight or Explain why Floyd should.

[Kalion]

Dude...i'm talkin about even before that Pac-Morales trilogy was already the record 4 ppv buys below welterweight until pac-marquez 2. which was then topped by pac-hatton.

My point was that Pac below welterweight was setting ppv records time after time while Floyd was fighting on friday night fights and B.A.D. below welterweight.

Also Pac fighting below welterweight pre-delahoya had topped everything floyd had ever done ppvwise fighting at welterweight pre-delahoya.

You keep making it seem as if Pac was a PPV giant before PBF ever A sided his first event. Thats absurd, Floyd in first PPV did more than half of PAC PPVs some of which in the last 3 years. And if you keep claiming PAC was fighting PPV while floyd was on FNF then you gonna have to provide some date cause im calling bull**** on that one.

And all this "Pre delahoya" **** for both fighters is bogus. If DLH was the reason Pac and floyd gain superstar status then why didnt mosely become a super star? what about Tito? If you really look at it, the only reason DLH is the PPV king is becuase he fought on the most PPVs. He has the lowest buys/event totals of all the P4P PPV kings.

The two most important catergories Most recent Fights and Common Oponents Floyd has a clear edge.Cant argue that, for that reason he calls the shot in this fight to a certain extent.

[MaD RoBoT]

You keep making it seem as if Pac was a PPV giant before PBF ever A sided his first event. Thats absurd, Floyd in first PPV did more than half of PAC PPVs some of which in the last 3 years. And if you keep claiming PAC was fighting PPV while floyd was on FNF then you gonna have to provide some date cause im calling bull**** on that one.

And all this "Pre delahoya" **** for both fighters is bogus. If DLH was the reason Pac and floyd gain superstar status then why didnt mosely become a super star? what about Tito? If you really look at it, the only reason DLH is the PPV king is becuase he fought on the most PPVs. He has the lowest buys/event totals of all the P4P PPV kings.

The two most important catergories Most recent Fights and Common Oponents Floyd has a clear edge.Cant argue that, for that reason he calls the shot in this fight to a certain extent.

so do you agree that Pac has more PPVs, sells more PPVs than Floyd before they fought DLH?

just like Horus said "numbers don't lie"

[go1nbanana]

40-40, winner gets 20 is fair.

[Lokotron]

pac
Delahoya-Pacquiao: 1.25 Mil
Pacquiao-Cotto: 1.25 MIL
Pacquiao–Hatton: 850K
Pacquiao–Marquez 2: 400K
Pacquiao–Barrera: 350K
Morales-Pacquiao 3: 360K
Morales-pacquiao 2: 350k
Morales-pacquiao: 340K
Pacquiao–Diaz: 250K
Pacquiao–Solis: 200K
5,600,000

floyd
Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL
Mayweather-Marquez: 1.05 MIL
Mayweather-Hatton: 925K
Mayweather-Judah : 390K
Gatti-Mayweather: 360K
Mayweather-Baldomir: 340K
5,465,000

So basically in 10 PPV's Pacquiao generates about 5.6 million buys.Floyd in 5 PPV's generates about the same amount.So thats nearly the same amount in half the amount of fights.It should be cleared by now who the bigger draw is.

[shadeyfizzle]

You keep making it seem as if Pac was a PPV giant before PBF ever A sided his first event. Thats absurd, Floyd in first PPV did more than half of PAC PPVs some of which in the last 3 years. And if you keep claiming PAC was fighting PPV while floyd was on FNF then you gonna have to provide some date cause im calling bull**** on that one.

And all this "Pre delahoya" **** for both fighters is bogus. If DLH was the reason Pac and floyd gain superstar status then why didnt mosely become a super star? what about Tito? If you really look at it, the only reason DLH is the PPV king is becuase he fought on the most PPVs. He has the lowest buys/event totals of all the P4P PPV kings.

The two most important catergories Most recent Fights and Common Oponents Floyd has a clear edge.Cant argue that, for that reason he calls the shot in this fight to a certain extent.

Im not arguing that. I've conceded that from the start.

Your thread asked someone to give argument for why Pac should call the shots for this fight and i gave you a damn strong case. It's on you if you disagree as i'm sure both camps are debating this very same issue with the same sticking points for each side in their negotiations.

[Kalion]

so do you agree that Pac has more PPVs, sells more PPVs than Floyd before they fought DLH?

just like Horus said "numbers don't lie"

Yeah he does, but they are all dismal. He has nearly 2x the fights and less buys. Thats not something you hang your hat on and its not gonna be a topic in discussion for thier bout.

With common opponents Floyd has damn near 2 million more buys than Pac.
Explain that.

[Pullcounter]

pac
Delahoya-Pacquiao: 1.25 Mil
Pacquiao-Cotto: 1.25 MIL
Pacquiao–Hatton: 850K
Pacquiao–Marquez 2: 400K
Pacquiao–Barrera: 350K
Morales-Pacquiao 3: 360K
Morales-pacquiao 2: 350k
Morales-pacquiao: 340K
Pacquiao–Diaz: 250K
Pacquiao–Solis: 200K
5,600,000

floyd
Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL
Mayweather-Marquez: 1.05 MIL
Mayweather-Hatton: 925K
Mayweather-Judah : 390K
Gatti-Mayweather: 360K
Mayweather-Baldomir: 340K
5,465,000


I dont know the actual live gate numbers so if anyone does feel free to post them. But as far as im concerned the indicatin of who the bigger draw can be analying the PPV from each fight and paying special attention to the common opponents. After doing that I think Floyd deserves to call the shots in this one.

Please take in consideration the key points.
-Between common opponents, Floyd has outsold Pac by nearly 2m buys.
-Floyd averages nearly 1/2 a million more buys per a PPV.
-Im not sure how much PPV revenue Pac avg but PBF has the highest of any fighter with more than 5 fights at just over 59mil per fight.

Im not saying Pac is not a huge star, but to say he more deserving than Floyd of the lions share is absurd in my opinion. He does have a few tools to bargain with, such as his WBO diamond Belt as well as the fact that he is the P4P #1 and im not sure but he may average more cash per a live gate than Floyd. But the bulk of this money comes from the PPVs and there's a clearly large advantage for Floyd in category.

cause its cheap to live in the PI and its expensive to live in the USA...

Pac couldn't get poor if he tried.... floyd can lose all his money easy just like tyson.

gayweather needs to money more than pac does

[shadeyfizzle]

Yeah he does, but they are all dismal. He has nearly 2x the fights and less buys. Thats not something you hang your hat on and its not gonna be a topic in discussion for thier bout.

With common opponents Floyd has damn near 2 million more buys than Pac.
Explain that.

Like i said from the beginning. The american audience has never given a crap about fights under welterweight because of the lack of american fighters in those divisions. Half of those ppv fights Pac had were record setting for ppv buys under welterweight. with each most recent topping his previous mark.

Tell me why Floyd's most notable opposition has been from 135 and 130 but was relegated to fighting on cable and espn as opposed to ppv.

[MaD RoBoT]

Yeah he does, but they are all dismal. He has nearly 2x the fights and less buys. Thats not something you hang your hat on and its not gonna be a topic in discussion for thier bout.

With common opponents Floyd has damn near 2 million more buys than Pac.
Explain that.

i thought the leverage of this big fight is whose ppv will turn out much better?

Pac-Cotto outsells Floyd-JMM

[WhoreUs]

Pac fights everybody.
PBF makes excuses to not fight people.
Pac aims to entertain the fans.
PBF doesn't give a fuck about boxing fans in general or even his own fans in particular.
The last 2 years Pac has won 4 titles in 4 divisions.
The last 2 years PBF has shamelessly cherrypicked and carried a LW at WW, cheating him on the scales as well.
Pac deserves the bigger split by far.
But realistically, even split or we will miss out on the fight.