Team Mayweather Response: Pacquiao is Not a Bigger Star

[rfn109]

Mr. Ellerbe, would you kindly explain these facts:
1. Mayweather-Marquez was postponed to take advantage of Mexico's Independence Day.
2. Pacquiao-Hatton which made 955,000 PPV hits did not feature an American boxer nor a foreign fighter whose ethnicity has a large U.S. population like Marquez, a Mexican.
3. Mayweather-Marquez breached the million marked and made 1.05 million hits. Comparing it to Pacquiao-Hatton, it made a difference of a measly 95,000.
4. Pacquiao-Cotto did 1.25 million hits, and again comparing it with the Mayweather-Marquez, made a difference of a whooping 200,000.

[edgarg]

Okay. If this were true, why did 2.2 million people pay to see ODLH fight Mayweather (when they had been sooooo disappointed in all but two of his previous fights) and only 1.2 million pay to see Oscar fight Pacquaio? Oscar's previous high was 1.4 million, 800,000 less than the Mayweather fight. Yet, two fights later, 1 million fewer people wanted to see him fight Pacquaio.

Also, why would 1 million pay to see Mayweather fight Marquez? We all know that Marquez has never been a draw on PPV. Did he suddenly become a PPV sensation after knocking out an over-the-hill Joel Casamayor? The truth is nothing in your post carries any credibility.

It's only your opinion that my post carries no credibility. And, I don't mind, you're entitled to your opinion. But........the inconvenient facts are that the high numbers for a fight in which Oscar was performing has always been due to Oscar, who for a reason I can't fathom [I don't care for him] has always been the public's "Golden Boy".

The last "Golden Boy" was Art Aragon, whom you probably never heard of.

This is a solid fact, I don't know why, but certain people just have the type of persona and characteristics which appeal to the masses, in this case, the boxing-follower masses.

Manny has it, for a different, easier-to-understand reason.

Mayweather does NOT have it, for an easy-to-understand reason.

There are all kinds of reasons as to why one promotion is a success and another, equally attractive [just for example] is not. the date for "payday", extra pressures on a family's budget, date of fight, holiday spirit, the season, the principals, the kind of advertisinbg, the kind of arena, all sorts of damned things that I don't make any pretence of knowing about. I'm not a promoter.

If you want to know exactly, why don't you ask Bob Arum, or Golden Balls. You'd gett a more honest answer from Arum.

But, the honest fact is, .....that side by side, Manny P would outdraw Mayweather by about 3-1, at least.

[zeidrich]

i dont expect this fight to happen

less expectation the better, so ill not gonna be dissappointed afterwards

[lbd_2005]

somebody told me that mayweather retire from boxing without telling the media because he's afraid of PAC.

[rommel357]

Who's more popular than Mayweather or Manny is debatable and subjective. The fact is Manny is the champion and the P4P King, those are not debatable. In regards to which fighter has a better draw, that should be easy to figure. Just take each fighters PPV numbers and add them all up and see who has the most PPV buys. Shouldn't matter who they fought in each PPV fight, just add them up. But to base it solely on that is just idiotic.

[big_james10]

If Pacquaio's people thing Mayweather is going to take a 70/30 split in favor of Pacquaio, they have lost their minds. The split, at best, will be 55/45 in favor of Mayweather or it won't happen and it won't be Mayweather's fault. However, all the haters on this site will blame him, just like they blame him for everything short of global warming and 9/11.

[Drunk Punch]

If Mayweather doesn't make this fight happen, his legacy is tarnished. This is the only fight people want to see, anything else is a cop out.

[big_james10]

It's only your opinion that my post carries no credibility. And, I don't mind, you're entitled to your opinion. But........the inconvenient facts are that the high numbers for a fight in which Oscar was performing has always been due to Oscar, who for a reason I can't fathom [I don't care for him] has always been the public's "Golden Boy".

The last "Golden Boy" was Art Aragon, whom you probably never heard of.

This is a solid fact, I don't know why, but certain people just have the type of persona and characteristics which appeal to the masses, in this case, the boxing-follower masses.

Manny has it, for a different, easier-to-understand reason.

Mayweather does NOT have it, for an easy-to-understand reason.

There are all kinds of reasons as to why one promotion is a success and another, equally attractive [just for example] is not. the date for "payday", extra pressures on a family's budget, date of fight, holiday spirit, the season, the principals, the kind of advertisinbg, the kind of arena, all sorts of damned things that I don't make any pretence of knowing about. I'm not a promoter.

If you want to know exactly, why don't you ask Bob Arum, or Golden Balls. You'd gett a more honest answer from Arum.

But, the honest fact is, .....that side by side, Manny P would outdraw Mayweather by about 3-1, at least.

These are excellent excuses to back up an opinion that you cannot sustain with facts. You say Manny would outdraw Mayweather 3-1, but you have no evidence to back it up. If what you are saying is true, Pac/Cotto should have sold 3 million PPV, especially since Cotto is a PPV attraction himself. You can use all the excuses and justifications you want. The facts speak for themselves. The fact is 2.2 million people paid to see Oscar fight Mayweather and 1.2 paid to see him fight Pacquaio. Oscar previous PPV before Mayweather drew 700,000. His all-time best was 1.4 million. There is no way you can justifiably say that Oscar went from 700.000 to 2.2 million because he suddenly gained an entire legion of new fans.

[zzat]

Ellerbe and Floyd are on some ***** ****. Mayweather doesn't even deserve a bigger split than Pacquiao because Pacquiao is the most popular Asian fighter there is. He has influence over people not just in the Phillipines. But countries like Sinagore, Malaysia, and Indonesia. And not to mention that the crime rate in the Phillipines goes down. Mayweather and his team don't even take these kind of things into consideration when they talk out of their ass. I think 50-50 is somewhat reasonable but if Floyd got a bigger portion than that then Pacquiao and his negotiating team are crazy for that. They should stand firm on this and not budge because all of Floyd's big name opponents got a bigger cut of the money than he did.

And I find it funny when Ellerbe points out the fact that Cotto is a bigger PPV draw than JMM. Well, if so, then why the hell did Floyd duck him and go into retirement? I mean, I'm not saying Cotto did anything to help the fight happen either. But it's still the fact that it always seemed like Floyd didn't want anything to do with Cotto when Cotto was more at the top of his game. He said that he'd retire from boxing and not let boxing retire him when Merchant threw names at him like Winky, Forrest, and Cotto.

that's has nothing to do with what's at hand. those countries don't bring as much to PPV numbers.

[rommel357]

These are excellent excuses to back up an opinion that you cannot sustain with facts. You say Manny would outdraw Mayweather 3-1, but you have no evidence to back it up. If what you are saying is true, Pac/Cotto should have sold 3 million PPV, especially since Cotto is a PPV attraction himself. You can use all the excuses and justifications you want. The facts speak for themselves. The fact is 2.2 million people paid to see Oscar fight Mayweather and 1.2 paid to see him fight Pacquaio. Oscar previous PPV before Mayweather drew 700,000. His all-time best was 1.4 million. There is no way you can justifiably say that Oscar went from 700.000 to 2.2 million because he suddenly gained an entire legion of new fans.

If Floyd is such a bigger draw than Manny, then why did they almost sold the same amount of PPV buys when each fought Hatton? Why did PBF vs JMM sold much less the Manny vs Cotto when there is more Mexican draw for JMM than PR draw for Cotto. FYI, DLH vs Manny did more than 1.2. ANd lets not forget that PBF vs JMM didn't even sell out the arena they fought in and even resorted to giving 50% discount on some of the seats, they where literaly begging and almost giving away some of the seats. And how about Floyd getting booed when he fought Baldomir and people walking out in the 9th and 10th round, yeah that was a such memorable fight, for the wrong reasons.