*Pacman legacy vs Roy Jones JR Legacy, debate inside... *

[jrosales13]

lol aight well played but his career speaks for itself so he never won a lineal title he still had a great career and a dominating career in his prime.

Ok but here is my question if he was so dominant why didn't he ever win a lineal champ in none of the 5 weightclasses he fought in?

Which means in 5 weightclass he was never the real champ. I am just saying.

I don't know a great fighter from the modern era who never won a lineal title? Charles Burley never won one. But, that was cuz nobody would give him a shot cuz he was black.

But, in the 40 or 50yrs I can't name a great fighter not winning a lineal title ever... It is just weird. So you could make an argument never fought the toughest comp out there.

[hammerhiem]

both his parents are Italian and he grew up in brooklyn lol

He was Born in Brooklyn, He's American.

Malignaggi was born to Sicilian immigrant parents in Brooklyn's Bensonhurst neighborhood.

[Ryn0]

i do like ricky hatton i will say that...but like i said im from north america...and in north america we have roy jones jr...dela hoya who i love also....tyson...and floyd...thats basically it

What? If you include Tyson then your going back a bit to his prime you have WAY more than that.

What about Marciano, Archie Moore, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Shane Mosley, ALI (ofcourse), Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Henry Armstrong, Bernard Hopkins, Jack Johnson, Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Joe Gans, Larry Holmes, Emile Griffith, Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Aaron Pryor.

Along with RJJ, Tyson, DLH (some consider him mexican) and Floyd.

You (USA) have the richest history of the sport and you can go back and remember only Tyson? Man, I just listed (off the top of my head) some of the greatest fighters of all time I'm sure there are far more I've forgotten.

[AKATheMack]

Ok but here is my question if he was so dominant why didn't he ever win a lineal champ in none of the 5 weightclasses he fought in?

Which means in 5 weightclass he was never the real champ. I am just saying.

I don't know a great fighter from the modern era who never won a lineal title? Charles Burley never won one. But, that was cuz nobody would give him a shot cuz he was black.

But, in the 40 or 50yrs I can't name a great fighter not winning a lineal title ever... It is just weird. So you could make an argument never fought the toughest comp out there.

In this era of multiple belts in a division, we dont need belts to tell us who the "real" champ is in a division.

[BEEHOP]

Pacman>Roy and it's really not that close.

[charlieg]

Where to start on this ludicrous piece of flamebait...

Interest: Roy Jones has been a star since he was 20 years old...I never even heard of Pac until the Marquez fights

The Marquez fights were 4 years apart. So either you were in a coma or are just making something up, and actually haven't been following boxing for too long.

( which he lost both times)...

Really? *Goes to check the record*

Yup, looks like it is still a draw and a win for Pacquiao. Hey, did you watch the fights in full yet? Or are you just making up that he lost both times because that's what critics like to say?

I watched them both back in full the other day and, to be honest, the only reason people say Pacquiao was lucky is because Marquez's corner tell him he is winning the fight so he's upset when he doesn't win. I scored them both round by round as impartially as possible, and both times I had Pacquiao up. He did the most damage in both fights, and Marquez only tended to win rounds that Pacquiao "had off".

In fact, if you check the official records, Pacquiao should have really won both fights - the draw was down to a mistake by the 113-113 judge who scored the first round 10-7 when a 3 knock down round should be scored 10-6.

Download those two fights (easy to find for a boxing fan) and watch them. You might learn something.

Since you guys dont like defensive fighters I think roy is a great fighter too show you guys that Pac isnt the only one who can whack guys out...Roy went from middle weight to heavyweight

I don't think any boxing fan or critic with an ounze of sense would suggest Roy wasn't an incredible boxer with unmatched talents and very impressive accomplishments. Pacquiao won more belts at more weights though, and he didn't fight lumps like Ruiz, so I'd argue that Pacquiao's win vs Cotto is more impressive than RJJ against Ruiz.

lmao wht a stud....

Easy tiger.

Add up roys ppv numbers vs pacs lmao i guarantee pac isnt even close...

Unfair comparison. Roy is American. PPV is a largely American product.

Pacman gets higher fees from Filipino TV stations. So does that make him better than RJJ?

roy has been fighting on ppv since he was in diapers...biggest star next to dela hoya in the 90's 00's...

Pacman won the WBC Flyweight title before he was 20 years old in 1998.

I was at jones calzaghe live not gonna lie it broke my heart but Roy is 40...we shall see if pacman is almost selling out msg when he is that old...o wait he is gonna be in politics...

Pacquiao is displaying more intelligence than Roy and has interests outside of boxing. Staying in the game too long is not admirable. Ask Muhammad Ali.

Roy lost when he was old and proved he had more heart and determination then we ever thought he had by comming back time and time again too get back into the ring...i love it...he was great to watch when he won and great to watch when he lost...he was willing too die that night vs calzaghe (I was sitting in 500 dollar seats I would know)....

RJJ in his prime would have won that comfortably. Going in against another guy with a padded record and getting beaten up for 9 rounds when he should have won it in 3 is nothing particularly impressive.

I just think before we re- write the history books we need to understand that the guys pac fought were farrrrrrrrrrrrr over the hill...

Hatton was over the hill? With 1 loss on his record at 30 years old? Don't think so. Cotto? 1 loss on his record and 28. Don't think so. De La Hoya? Yeah, but it made Pacman money and gave him fame. Most of Pacman's opponents were either close or just past their prime. Few other than DLH were over the hill.

roy is taking on b-hop who is on the all the p4p lists so wht you say about that? when bhop loses 12ud then wht will we say?

Nobody is dis*****g that Roy is a top p4p fighter. I'm not sure why you are defending him? His legacy doesn't need defending.

BHop will beat him though, sorry to break it to you. Age refined BHop, and shattered RJJ. He's still good but not close to a younger RJJ who was untouchable.

[jrosales13]

In this era of multiple belts in a division, we dont need belts to tell us who the "real" champ is in a division.

And, Roy was never the "real" champ you do know that right?

[jrosales13]

Roy Jones has been a star since he was 20 years old...I never even heard of Pac until the Marquez fights

Well if that is true is obvious you not a hardcore fan. Hardcore fans here in America heard of Pac when he beat Ledwaba. Pac became P4P fighter when he beat Barrera. Both fights were before JMM. The Ledwaba fight was like 8yrs ago. Where was you at?

Add up roys ppv numbers vs pacs lmao i guarantee pac isnt even close...roy has been fighting on ppv since he was in diapers...biggest star next to dela hoya in the 90's 00's...

Really? Please list Roy PPV #'s?

roy is taking on b-hop who is on the all the p4p lists so wht you say about that? when bhop loses 12ud then wht will we say?

LMAO... Ok Roy is going to beat B-Hop really now?

[Mayweather101]

What? If you include Tyson then your going back a bit to his prime you have WAY more than that.

What about Marciano, Archie Moore, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Shane Mosley, ALI (ofcourse), Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Henry Armstrong, Bernard Hopkins, Jack Johnson, Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Joe Gans, Larry Holmes, Emile Griffith, Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Aaron Pryor.

Along with RJJ, Tyson, DLH (some consider him mexican) and Floyd.

You (USA) have the richest history of the sport and you can go back and remember only Tyson? Man, I just listed (off the top of my head) some of the greatest fighters of all time I'm sure there are far more I've forgotten.

um yes but im 21 years old and these are the guys i remember

[Mayweather101]

Well if that is true is obvious you not a hardcore fan. Hardcore fans here in America heard of Pac when he beat Ledwaba. Pac became P4P fighter when he beat Barrera. Both fights were before JMM. The Ledwaba fight was like 8yrs ago. Where was you at?



Really? Please list Roy PPV #'s?



LMAO... Ok Roy is going to beat B-Hop really now?

i speak for the pulse of wht boxing does for the general public...prolly within the last 3 4 years i became a true hardcore boxing fan