The "May vs Pac PPV Common Opponent Argument" = ******

[JulVal]

Yeah right....Lmao!!! the past is a great indicator of the future!

Is that all your tiny brain can up with?

[cortdawg25]

Boxing is also business is what you say right? If it is then we should all look at this scenario at every angle.

You guys were talking about the pre-great recession Floyd figures right? While failing to see that Pac, fought those common opponents, during recession poor USA and yet, they were very much willing to see this guy fight?

Oh and of course, let's not forget that Pacquiao is Asian hence he's not on his own turf. Could you imagine if we were to count Philippines PPV and movie sales as well?

The fact that
Pac vs Cotto > May vs Marquez at their own home turf says alot.

Oh and what's so funny with a 50/50 cut? It's fair and ****ing reasonable. Pac's accomplishment for the last 3 years is no contest to May's blown out lightweight win.

It was a recession in 06 too. Bush didn't want to admit it...please believe it. u know what is unfair with a 50-50 split.....Manny's numbers ain't on Floyd's level. And manny ain't done nothing than Floyd ain't already did. 60-40 floyd or even 55-45 floyd!!!! and Floyd tax dat A$$!

[cortdawg25]

Is that all your tiny brain can up with?

Go to B-school and u'll find out, there is no way of forecasting the future without the past in business!!


Now take that to da gut!

[iHateThePacMan]

I know you love suckings pacs balls but the here are some facts that ill paste again since you havent read my thread:


Floyd Sold 1 million Pay per views pretty much on his own.

Proof:

Marquez PPV History with KNOWN FIGHTERS/Dance partners:

Marquez vs Casamayor: 100,000 Pay per views.
Marquez vs Barrera: 225,000 Pay per views.
Marquez vs Pacquiao II: 400,000 Pay per views.

Manny sold less than half with Marquez compared to what Mayweather-Marquez did. Pacquiao-Marquez did 400,000 because of Pacquiao. Marquez was never a PPV draw.

Floyd sold 2.4 million Pay per views with Oscar De La Hoya
Manny sold 1.25 million Pay Per views with Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd sold 925,000 Pay per views with Hatton
Manny sold 850,000 Pay Per views with Hatton

Hatton made his biggest payday against Floyd
Judah made his biggest payday against Floyd
Oscar made his biggest payday against Floyd

So did Baldomir and Marquez. So will Pacquiao...even if he accepts 60/40

Floyd is also the undefeated fighter out of the two.

Cotto is a NAME and has a GOOD following. His PPV against Margarito did really well. Pacquiao has a great following. When you put two fighters with good followings in other words when you have a dance partner then you can get a lot of PPV Buys!

Look at Marquez PPV History it tells you that he isnt a big name and didnt sell too well despite being there with names such as Barrera and Casamayor.

Cotto on the other hand has had successful PPV's in the past.

Cotto vs Mosley did 400,000 PPV numbers (The same as Pacquiao-Marquez II)

Cotto vs Margarito did 450,000 PPV numbers

Floyd sold 1 Million PPV's almost by himself while Pacquiao and Cotto both sold the PPV.

This time Pacquiao actually had another PPV attraction in Miguel Cotto who did 400,000 buys against Mosley and 450,000 buys against Margarito. HE HAD A DANCING PARTNER, IT TAKES TWO TO SELL A FIGHT. Floyd did it alone vs Marquez and did 1 million.

Twice more than what Pacquiao did!

Your a dumbass just like al haymon. You don't consider the rising popularity of Pacquiao ever since the fight with oscar.

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(Different time + different circumstances)

Floyd sold 2.4 million Pay per views with Oscar De La Hoya
Manny sold 1.25 million Pay Per views with Oscar De La Hoya

Floyd sold 925,000 Pay per views with Hatton
Manny sold 850,000 Pay Per views with Hatton

Result:
2.4m to 925k down to 60%
1.25m to 850k down to 32%

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(different time) the data is inconclusive

Floyd Sold 1 million Pay per views with Marquez
Marquez vs Pacquiao II: 400,000 <> before hatton & dela hoya

RESULTS: Floyd popularity remained constant from his last fight while pacquiao increased his buys.

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(different opponents) the data is inconclusive again
JMM vs Mayweather 1m
Cotto vs Pacquiao 1.6m-2m

Results:

Pacquiao from the hatton fight increased to about 160-200%
Mayweather remained consistent with his buys (avg 1m)

This is like watching the toyota company outsell GM-
you also have to consider growth and time

Pacquiao has a valid point of asking an even or more pot. Just look around google/youtube/*******/forums search counts if you don't believe pacquiao is more popular than mayweather. Ofcourse that doesn't guarantee PPV sales but it does send a clear message that 2:1 around the net prefer pacquiao over mayweather

I have to spend my fawking time to do this shiet but i want you *****s to shut up like your whinny ass idol.
I used the 2009 "May-October data" because thats when Mayweather vs JMM- Its actually more favorable to floyd just to prove a point that pacquiao owned his ass

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[MindBat]

Boxing is also business is what you say right? If it is then we should all look at this scenario at every angle.

You guys were talking about the pre-great recession Floyd figures right? While failing to see that Pac, fought those common opponents, during recession poor USA and yet, they were very much willing to see this guy fight?

Oh and of course, let's not forget that Pacquiao is Asian hence he's not on his own turf. Could you imagine if we were to count Philippines PPV and movie sales as well?

The fact that
Pac vs Cotto > May vs Marquez at their own home turf says alot.

Oh and what's so funny with a 50/50 cut? It's fair and ****ing reasonable. Pac's accomplishment for the last 3 years is no contest to May's blown out lightweight win.

The fact remains that Floyd is the major draw in PPV sales based in large part on the 2.4 million, record setting, PPV event with Oscar de La Hoya.

Nobody's been able to top that at the moment.

When you tally up the totals in sales, who wins?

[JulVal]

Go to B-school and u'll find out, there is no way of forecasting the future without the past in business!!


Now take that to da gut!

You forecast using some data from 2 years ago and compare it with a data that is just so recent? Oh and on top of that, numbers shown were recession influenced numbers?

Oh and quit ****ing with me. It wasn't recession 2006. Recession started at 2006 and even then, people were overspending, thus the great, ****ing, recession.

[baCCaT]

the best indicator of who is the bigger draw is the most recent fights.
expected outcome or not its the best indicator of who is the bigger draw.

[cortdawg25]

Your a dumbass just like al haymon. You don't consider the rising popularity of Pacquiao ever since the fight with oscar.

-------------------------------------------------------
(Different time + different circumstances)

Floyd sold 2.4 million Pay per views with Oscar De La Hoya
Manny sold 1.25 million Pay Per views with Oscar De La Hoya

Floyd sold 925,000 Pay per views with Hatton
Manny sold 850,000 Pay Per views with Hatton

Result:
2.4m to 925k down to 60%
1.25m to 850k down to 32%

---------------------------------------------------
(different time) the data is inconclusive

Floyd Sold 1 million Pay per views with Marquez
Marquez vs Pacquiao II: 400,000 <> before hatton & dela hoya

RESULTS: Floyd popularity remained constant from his last fight while pacquiao increased his buys.

-----------------------------------------------
(different opponents) the data is inconclusive again
JMM vs Mayweather 1m
Cotto vs Pacquiao 1.6m-2m

Results:

Pacquiao from the hatton fight increased to about 160-200%
Mayweather remained consistent with his buys (avg 1m)

This is like watching the toyota company outsell GM-
you also have to consider growth and time

Pacquiao has a valid point of asking an even or more pot. Just look around google/youtube/*******/forums search counts if you don't believe pacquiao is more popular than mayweather. Ofcourse that doesn't guarantee PPV sales but it does send a clear message that 2:1 around the net prefer pacquiao over mayweather

I have to spend my fawking time to do this shiet but i want you *****s to shut up like your whinny ass idol.
I used the 2009 "May-October data" because thats when Mayweather vs JMM- Its actually more favorable to floyd just to prove a point that pacquiao owned his ass

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Nice spin!!! But 1 good year doesn't propel u to the #1 company, especially when the other company has been outselling you the last 5 yrs.

and then to add into the fact, the other company wasn't even on the market when you had your best years. 1 could argue your success is a direct result of your adversary not being in the same market when you had your so-called growth.

[JulVal]

The fact remains that Floyd is the major draw in PPV sales based in large part on the 2.4 million, record setting, PPV event with Oscar de La Hoya.

Nobody's been able to top that at the moment.

Trends change, what was 'ín' before won't necessarily be 'ín' tomorrow or today. Fact is, Pac is the bigger draw now and anything beyond 50/50 is bull****.



You can't compare a data given to you two years ago to data given to you today and not look at other factors. Numbers lie. If you use it as you guys do

[cortdawg25]

You forecast using some data from 2 years ago and compare it with a data that is just so recent? Oh and on top of that, numbers shown were recession influenced numbers?

Oh and quit ****ing with me. It wasn't recession 2006. Recession started at 2006 and even then, people were overspending, thus the great, ****ing, recession.

Dude, it's been a recession since 05. But since we as nation weren't in the red for 2 consecurtive qtrs, they didn't it call it a recession. Why do u thing Congress was overtaken by the DEMs in 06? It was a recession in may of 06 and especially Dec of 06.

oh and by the way, I'm forecasting his last 4 fights in contrast to manny's last 4!