Who was the most dominant fighter in their prime: Tyson, Jones or Pacquiao ?

[THE REED]

Did Roy beat Dariusz?

Traingle theories dont count.

Did Darius beat Roy?

Did Darius beat ANYONE that beat Roy?

I am not using triangle theories to say that Roy Jones beats Darius... I am saying 7 titles in the division, and wins over opponents who have wins over him.

And also the Ring Magazine declaring Roy Jones the Champion of 175lbs.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Did Darius beat Roy?

Did Darius beat ANYONE that beat Roy?

I am not using triangle theories to say that Roy Jones beats Darius... I am saying 7 titles in the division, and wins over opponents who have wins over him.

And also the Ring Magazine declaring Roy Jones the Champion of 175lbs.

No so there wasnt a dominate fighter. Cos the two best didnt even fight. How can you not understand that?

Enough with the empty stats man. Werent some of Roy's "7 titles" the IBA and WBF......lol. **** outta here with that ****.

[Stoppage]

I have his entire career on DVD, I have seen all of his fights.

LOL @ you trying to negate the fact you are trying to say he is all the sudden out of his prime because he didn't look "spectacular" in his knockout victories after Spinks.

And since when am I saying that age is the ONLY factor?

Did I not mention he had been through ZERO wars? Zero Slugfests? Those are MAIN reasons why a fighter can slip out of his prime early.

I have seen all his fights, he still came in behind a jab, he still used lateral movement, and side to side motion

Why do I keep mentioning his knockout victories? Well first of all, he has a one round knockout after the Spinks fight, I dont know how its possible for you to look at that fight and say.. "yeah but, he didn't look that great"... I can't even wrap my head around that.

Don't attempt to insult me by saying I have't seen Mike Tysons fights.. Don't even attempt it.

Age isn't the only factor that determines when you are out of your prime.

Plenty of fighters have come out of their prime in their 30's and late 20's due to being in wars... hell Cotto is probably a prime example of that.. I would no longer say Cotto is prime.

Problem is Tyson never had ANY fights like Cotto had just been through before Douglas.

If what you are getting at is, you see less head movement, you see less lateral movement, and you see less jabbing before just coming in with his right hand or monster left hook, then I see a little less of those movements (in those 2 fights)... but that CERTAINLY does not somehow or someway define Mike Tyson as being out of prime all of the sudden.

When you have time, you should try and actually watch the DVD. If you've really seen all of his fights and don't notice a difference from around '87 to '90, you must be a moron. Literally.

Please quote me saying that I thought he was out of his prime because he didn't look spectacular before knocking his opponents out. Please do.

I simply said that he was aiming for a knockout rather than box. What was the result of that? It made him a worse fighter than when he used to actually try and box. That's why he wasn't in his prime. You don't seem to understand that.

Forget age. Forget wars. Forget all that. It's all about how he decreased in his fighting ability. He started going for the knockout punch rather than box. I've mentioned that so many times in this debate but you don't seem to understand that.

In his one round knockout, after the Spinks fight, he was getting out-boxed before the actual knockout. If you can look at me with a straight face and tell me he wasn't, you're a liar of extraordinary measure.

And without all the good head movement, without the lateral movement, without the set-ups, with only the knockout punch, with a worse fighting mind, he's still in his prime? Give me a break.

[THE REED]

No so there wasnt a dominate fighter. Cos the two best didnt even fight. How can you not understand that?

Enough with the empty stats man. Werent some of Roy's "7 titles" the IBA and WBF......lol. **** outta here with that ****.

And they also consist of the the WBC, WBA, and IBF. so you get the **** outta here.

[THE REED]

When you have time, you should try and actually watch the DVD. If you've really seen all of his fights and don't notice a difference from around '87 to '90, you must be a moron. Literally.

Please quote me saying that I thought he was out of his prime because he didn't look spectacular before knocking his opponents out. Please do.

I simply said that he was aiming for a knockout rather than box. What was the result of that? It made him a worse fighter than when he used to actually try and box. That's why he wasn't in his prime. You don't seem to understand that.

Forget age. Forget wars. Forget all that. It's all about how he decreased in his fighting ability. He started going for the knockout punch rather than box. I've mentioned that so many times in this debate but you don't seem to understand that.

In his one round knockout, after the Spinks fight, he was getting out-boxed before the actual knockout. If you can look at me with a straight face and tell me he wasn't, you're a liar of extraordinary measure.

And without all the good head movement, without the lateral movement, without the set-ups, with only the knockout punch, with a worse fighting mind, he's still in his prime? Give me a break.

You can stop being ignorant to the fact that you are literally saying he went from one of, if not THE best win of his career in Michael Spinks to out of his prime in two fights before he lost to Buster Douglas.

In that one round knockout, in that one minute and twenty seconds of fighting? You came to the conclusion this guy is out of his prime? From KOing Michael Spinks, within two fights he went to not in his prime anymore?

I saw a fighter moving around the ring and flicking his jab out a few times, clinch and throw some inside punches on Mike.. and not 20 seconds later get decapitated.

If you are going to tell me in one minute and twenty seconds of fighting that Mike Tyson is now out of prime because of that, then me and you are going to have to agree to disagree.

I agree LATER in his career, Mike stopped using the head movement, stopped using those fundamentals that made him great... but they were still there before Buster Douglas, he was still creaming opponents.

And another thing, I am not being disrespectful to you, so do not act that way towards me.

[MARKBNLV]

roy jones easy theguy did notget hit

[Stoppage]

You can stop being ignorant to the fact that you are literally saying he went from one of, if not THE best win of his career in Michael Spinks to out of his prime in two fights before he lost to Buster Douglas.

In that one round knockout, in that one minute and twenty seconds of fighting? You came to the conclusion this guy is out of his prime? From KOing Michael Spinks, within two fights he went to not in his prime anymore?

I saw a fighter moving around the ring and flicking his jab out a few times, clinch and throw some inside punches on Mike.. and not 20 seconds later get decapitated.

If you are going to tell me in one minute and twenty seconds of fighting that Mike Tyson is now out of prime because of that, then me and you are going to have to agree to disagree.

I agree LATER in his career, Mike stopped using the head movement, stopped using those fundamentals that made him great... but they were still there before buster Douglas, he was still creaming opponents.

And another thing, I am not being disrespectful to you, so do not act that way towards to me.

I'm not being ignorant. Rooney was fired from the team, right after the Spinks fight. Rooney was the key to Tyson's boxing ability. Without Rooney they had nothing. If you want, I'll watch a couple of his fights from '87 to the Bruno fight with you and we'll discuss them round by round. I'll show you how he wasn't the same.

It wasn't in that one fight. It was in both the Bruno and the Williams fight. He relied on punching rather than boxing (how many times have I said that now?).

And I don't know which fight you're talking about when describing flicking the jab and holding and then getting knocked out. I'm guessing the Williams fight? Well, Tyson didn't really land anything special before the knockout punch. He was getting beat to the punch and every time he tried to set up something, Williams would hold. That's why I'm saying that he only relied on punching power, at the time.

And you were being disrespectful towards me before I was to you. Here's some of your quotes before I started getting a bit ticked off:

Just because you "think" he wasn't using the same boxing fundamentals, really doesn't justify the guy being in the absolute prime of his life, and coming off what? 8 consecutive knockout wins, and everyone one of them in about 8 rounds or less.

No way can you just pick and choose like that, no way are you in a position to select when and where he's out of his prime just because you may not have liked the way he fought...

I was trying to participate in a discussion/debate on when his prime was before you started to talk to me as if my opinion was worthless.

[THE REED]

I'm not being ignorant. Rooney was fired from the team, right after the Spinks fight. Rooney was the key to Tyson's boxing ability. Without Rooney they had nothing. If you want, I'll watch a couple of his fights from '87 to the Bruno fight with you and we'll discuss them round by round. I'll show you how he wasn't the same.

It wasn't in that one fight. It was in both the Bruno and the Williams fight. He relied on punching rather than boxing (how many times have I said that now?).

And I don't know which fight you're talking about when describing flicking the jab and holding and then getting knocked out. I'm guessing the Williams fight? Well, Tyson didn't really land anything special before the knockout punch. He was getting beat to the punch and every time he tried to set up something, Williams would hold. That's why I'm saying that he only relied on punching power, at the time.

And you were being disrespectful towards me before I was to you. Here's some of your quotes before I started getting a bit ticked off:





I was trying to participate in a discussion/debate on when his prime was before you started to talk to me as if my opinion was worthless.

Fair enough... I'm good on watching the fight together, I remember the Bruno fight pretty well... I do remember Mike looking to knock him out and not so much use his jab or lateral movement in that fight... but I also remember Bruno frustrating Tyson by holding and leaning and tieing him up and trying to make it an ugly fight..

My point is, I can't look at maybe an off performance from Mike and come to the conclusion that well, Mike is out of his prime now... I just can't do it.

I would also say that Bruno is a decent fighter, and gave a pretty good account of himself in that fight.

We will simply have to agree to disagree at this point.

[Stoppage]

Fair enough... I'm good on watching the fight together, I remember the Bruno fight pretty well... I do remember Mike looking to knock him out and not so much use his jab or lateral movement in that fight... but I also remember Bruno frustrating Tyson by holding and leaning and tieing him up and trying to make it an ugly fight..

My point is, I can't look at maybe an off performance from Mike and come to the conclusion that well, Mike is out of his prime now... I just can't do it.

I would also say that Bruno is a decent fighter, and gave a pretty good account of himself in that fight.

We will simply have to agree to disagree at this point.

I edited my post because I to say that I wanted to watch a few fights from '87 to the Bruno and Williams fight, rather than just the Bruno fight alone. To prove my point, you know? We can watch one at a time if you want. I'm down. Let me know.

[THE REED]

I edited my post because I to say that I wanted to watch a few fights from '87 to the Bruno and Williams fight, rather than just the Bruno fight alone. To prove my point, you know? We can watch one at a time if you want. I'm down. Let me know.

Probably not tonight, I have company on the way, but sometime during the day when I'm at work