Who was the most dominant fighter in their prime: Tyson, Jones or Pacquiao ?

[THE REED]

What do you mean only? How does that raise any sort of su****ion?

He fired his best trainer Kevin Rooney. Some could even say that Rooney perfected Tyson's style more than Cus D'Amato. It was pretty obvious in the Bruno and Williams fight that he was relying on pure punching power. He didn't have the boxing skills he had, while Rooney was training him. If you can watch Tyson's fights, starting from the Holmes fight up to the Williams fight, and say his boxing ability didn't deteriorate at all, you must be blind.

I "think" he wasn't in his prime. Just like you "think" he was. This is a debate, isn't it? It's all about opinion.

And so what if he came off eight knockout victories? Six of them were in his prime and two weren't. He still always had punching power.

Stop repeatedly mentioning age, as if it's the number one factor to determine the prime of a fighter.

I love how you just so happen to select the two fights RIGHT BEFORE he got knocked out, as to why he wasn't prime anymore.

So even if he changed his style in those fights... does that not mean he is not prime anymore?

No fighter is shot at 23 years old, no fighter is past their prime at 23 years old. ESPECIALLY a fighter who is undefeated and has been in ZERO wars, ZERO slugfests, ZERO illnesses.

Whether they change up the way they fight a little or not..

3 fights before Spinks he went 7 rounds with Biggs... but the two fights after Spinks he stopped them in 5 rounds and one round.

Just because he may have fought those two fights differently.. yet STILL coming out with the SAME CONSISTENT victories.. he is now out of his prime?

No way can you just pick and choose like that, no way are you in a position to select when and where he's out of his prime just because you may not have liked the way he fought... EVEN THOUGH, he STILL had a 5 round TKO and a 1 round KO.


NO. Mike Tyson got knocked out in the prime of his life. Period.

[strugler]

it should have been............BHOP....tyson and pac................

[The_Demon]

easily roy jones
dude was untouchable

[THE REED]

I dont know how you gather from this fight that Mike Tyson is suddenly out of his prime... I see jabs, I see lateral movement, I see side to side movement, and I see a first round knockout.

I see a young prime unbeaten Mike Tyson.

[Stoppage]

I love how you just so happen to select the two fights RIGHT BEFORE he got knocked out, as to why he wasn't prime anymore.

So even if he changed his style in those fights... does that not mean he is not prime anymore?

No fighter is shot at 23 years old, no fighter is past their prime at 23 years old. ESPECIALLY a fighter who is undefeated and has been in ZERO wars, ZERO slugfests, ZERO illnesses.

Whether they change up the way they fight a little or not..

3 fights before Spinks he went 7 rounds with Biggs... but the two fights after Spinks he stopped them in 5 rounds and one round.

Just because he may have fought those two fights differently.. yet STILL coming out with the SAME CONSISTENT victories.. he is now out of his prime?

No way can you just pick and choose like that, no way are you in a position to select when and where he's out of his prime just because you may not have liked the way he fought... EVEN THOUGH, he STILL had a 5 round TKO and a 1 round KO.


NO. Mike Tyson got knocked out in the prime of his life. Period.

I mention that time because that's when he started boxing. That's when he started relying on knockout power. I also mention that time because the trainer who turned him into the fighter he was had been fired by Don King. Tyson wasn't a good boxer without Rooney.

He didn't change his style. He had no style! Unless your call coming forward and just trying to land a knockout punch a style.

You mention the age like it's the number one factor. I don't why..

Why do you also keep telling me about his knockout victories? He was always a puncher. He started his career as a puncher and ended his career as a puncher.

Did you even watch the Biggs fight? Biggs was an Olympic Gold Medalist and was a better boxer (not fighter) than Bruno, at the time. Tyson out-boxed him. That was a prime Tyson.

I'm willing to bet that you haven't seen a lot of his fights. If you did, you would know what I was talking about. Go watch his fights, starting from the Biggs or Holmes fight to the Williams fight. Tell me there's no decrease in his boxing ability besides just searching up his record on BoxRec and acting like you know what you're talking about.

[Stoppage]

I dont know how you gather from this fight that Mike Tyson is suddenly out of his prime... I see jabs, I see lateral movement, I see side to side movement, and I see a first round knockout.

I see a young prime unbeaten Mike Tyson.

Hilarious how you think that was a prime Tyson. He was getting out-boxed, until the knockout. It's clear he was going for the one-punch knockout rather than boxing.

[THE REED]

I mention that time because that's when he started boxing. That's when he started relying on knockout power. I also mention that time because the trainer who turned him into the fighter he was had been fired by Don King. Tyson wasn't a good boxer without Rooney.

He didn't change his style. He had no style! Unless your call coming forward and just trying to land a knockout punch a style.

You mention the age like it's the number one factor. I don't why..

Why do you also keep telling me about his knockout victories? He was always a puncher. He started his career as a puncher and ended his career as a puncher.

Did you even watch the Biggs fight? Biggs was an Olympic Gold Medalist and was a better boxer (not fighter) than Bruno, at the time. Tyson out-boxed him. That was a prime Tyson.

I'm willing to bet that you haven't seen a lot of his fights. If you did, you would know what I was talking about. Go watch his fights, starting from the Biggs or Holmes fight to the Williams fight. Tell me there's no decrease in his boxing ability besides just searching up his record on BoxRec and acting like you know what you're talking about.

I have his entire career on DVD, I have seen all of his fights.

LOL @ you trying to negate the fact you are trying to say he is all the sudden out of his prime because he didn't look "spectacular" in his knockout victories after Spinks.

And since when am I saying that age is the ONLY factor?

Did I not mention he had been through ZERO wars? Zero Slugfests? Those are MAIN reasons why a fighter can slip out of his prime early.

I have seen all his fights, he still came in behind a jab, he still used lateral movement, and side to side motion

Why do I keep mentioning his knockout victories? Well first of all, he has a one round knockout after the Spinks fight, I dont know how its possible for you to look at that fight and say.. "yeah but, he didn't look that great"... I can't even wrap my head around that.

Don't attempt to insult me by saying I have't seen Mike Tysons fights.. Don't even attempt it.

Age isn't the only factor that determines when you are out of your prime.

Plenty of fighters have come out of their prime in their 30's and late 20's due to being in wars... hell Cotto is probably a prime example of that.. I would no longer say Cotto is prime.

Problem is Tyson never had ANY fights like Cotto had just been through before Douglas.

If what you are getting at is, you see less head movement, you see less lateral movement, and you see less jabbing before just coming in with his right hand or monster left hook, then I see a little less of those movements (in those 2 fights)... but that CERTAINLY does not somehow or someway define Mike Tyson as being out of prime all of the sudden.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

man from 94-99, i dont remember Roy even losing a round...IMO, that's more dominant than Tiger's ****

[THE REED]

Hilarious how you think that was a prime Tyson. He was getting out-boxed, until the knockout. It's clear he was going for the one-punch knockout rather than boxing.

Hilarious how you think it wasn't.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

In 1998 Roy Jones was the NUMBER ONE LHW and stayed there... and in 2003, Tarver was... who Roy Jones then moved down in weight and Beat.

That is The Ring Rankings.

Not to mention Gonzalez beating Darius, and then Gonzalez not winning one single round against Roy.

Not to mention Darius fighting ****** Hill and getting a UD, very next fight Virgil fights Roy and gets knocked out in 4 rounds.

Did Roy beat Dariusz?

Traingle theories dont count.