What was Ray Robinson at 5'11 doing at welterweight?

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Same could be said for Amir Khan at 5' 10'' at Lightweight.

he's gonna start getting knocked out left and right everytime he tries and step up

[jrosales13]

hopkins was'nt green, or at the very least as green as you make him out to be
and jones also nearly exclusively fought with one hand

there's always an excuse when someone of the near past has won a fight, weight drained, shot or green

ever look at robinsons wins and think maybe armstrong was past prime? lamotta was green? ofcourse your dont, he's a fighter you see in black and white that your father talked greatly about(because he was of his time) and you cant accept otherwise

all that aside, you still have'nt answered, me, was it jones fault that hopkins was green(which means jones was green) was it roys fault toney was weight drained?(which i dont think he was), fact is jones stepped up, and ''dominated''

Hopkins was green Hopkins did not put everything together until like 1999. He was still learning his craft. You can't say Roy was green cuz Roy had vastly amateur experience. What amateur experience did Hopkins have. You don't think that played a factor?

True Armstron was passed his prime but he was still pretty good. Is like Hopkins is passed his prime right now but still pretty good right?

Ray Robinson beat Lamotta after Lamotta had wins over Zivic, Cerdan, Bell I mean those are great fighters Lamotta was not green.

Robinson had wins over other great fighters who were in there prime like Olson and Fullmer. Nobody has to tell me how great Robinson was. I know by looking at who he beat and by looking at as much footage as I can get from him.

You can say is Jones fault that he never fought Jackson, McCallum, and McClellan at MW. Jones was not proven as a MW. Yes he looked great fighting tomato cans and prospects. But, Ray Robinson would of looked unbeatable also facing the same comp

[jrosales13]

jorge did better than most against jones at middleweight because it was a baby green jones, and still does'nt change the fact that all johnsons losses are disputable, i had him beating toney

Didn't John David Jackson at MW? And, Reggie Johnson was a better MW than a LHW.

And, like the greatest said Castro was not that good just tough.

Roy Jones is overrated. Dude never fought a prime Mike McCallum he waited till Mike was like 40, never fought he amateur rival Gerald McClellan, never fought Jackson, Litte, Liles, Benn, Eubanks, Collins. I mean he never proved he was great. Yea he beat Toney but like you said a solid fighter in Johnson also beat Toney. Toney is very unconsisten. Roy never was the real champ in any of the divisions he campaigned in. I can't believe we are really having this argument of Jones vs Robinson at 160.

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Hopkins was green Hopkins did not put everything together until like 1999. He was still learning his craft. You can't say Roy was green cuz Roy had vastly amateur experience. What amateur experience did Hopkins have. You don't think that played a factor?

True Armstron was passed his prime but he was still pretty good. Is like Hopkins is passed his prime right now but still pretty good right?

Ray Robinson beat Lamotta after Lamotta had wins over Zivic, Cerdan, Bell I mean those are great fighters Lamotta was not green.

Robinson had wins over other great fighters who were in there prime like Olson and Fullmer. Nobody has to tell me how great Robinson was. I know by looking at who he beat and by looking at as much footage as I can get from him.

You can say is Jones fault that he never fought Jackson, McCallum, and McClellan at MW. Jones was not proven as a MW. Yes he looked great fighting tomato cans and prospects. But, Ray Robinson would of looked unbeatable also facing the same comp

bernard hopkins had won a boxing tournament at the age of nine
jones was 5 going on 6 and would'nt have his first amatuer fight for another 4 years(remember that)
bernard hopkins was 95-4 in the amatuers, at the age of 17, before being incarcerated.
hopkins boxed while in prison, became the prison champ there(now we know where his dirty tactics come from)
so no...i dont think that really played a part when he lost to jones, he'll always lose to a prime roy jones

robinsons mediocre head movement would get him in some trouble against roy jones, besides did'nt you know mcclellan was set to fight roy jones after benn? but we all know what happened there right?
well, jones did fight mccallum at lightheavyweight, and for such an old out of prime fighter he sure did give james toney all he could handle AFTER fighting jones and getting dominated

[SplitSecond]

Didn't John David Jackson at MW? And, Reggie Johnson was a better MW than a LHW.

And, like the greatest said Castro was not that good just tough.

Roy Jones is overrated. Dude never fought a prime Mike McCallum he waited till Mike was like 40, never fought he amateur rival Gerald McClellan, never fought Jackson, Litte, Liles, Benn, Eubanks, Collins. I mean he never proved he was great. Yea he beat Toney but like you said a solid fighter in Johnson also beat Toney. Toney is very unconsisten. Roy never was the real champ in any of the divisions he campaigned in. I can't believe we are really having this argument of Jones vs Robinson at 160.

did toney and bernard fight liles, eubanks, collins, benn, littles and jackson?

he never proved he was great? what makes those guys great? well actually toney beat alot of steller competition, but what about brenard? the guy you love so much, how is he a great if jones is'nt? by fighting smaller guys? by having people come up at catchweights?

[Calilloyd]

What he was doing was fighting all-time great welterweights 5'11 Kid Gavilan and 5'10 Fritzie Zivic as well as very good ones such as 6 feet tall George Costner and 5'11 Jackie Wilson.

Not to mention that he fought numerous times above welterweight throughout his career even before he officially won the middleweight title.

Robinson started as a lightweight by the way and won a non-title bout over lightweight champion Sammy Angott.

Good post. You beat me to it.

[Calilloyd]

[QUOTE=jrosales13;6702644]Hopkins was green Hopkins did not put everything together until like 1999. He was still learning his craft. You can't say Roy was green cuz Roy had vastly amateur experience. What amateur experience did Hopkins have. You don't think that played a factor?

That is a myth. Hopkins was not any more "green" than Jones. Both had extensive amateur careers. Hopkins had nearly 100 amateur fights with a 95-4record. Both were well into their pro careers at the time of this fight. The notion that Hopkins was some sort of novice is just not true. Add the fact that he did not lose another fight for 12 years after. Your claiming that Hopkins did not put it together until 99 is just not true. Why was he winning the 6 years previous to 99 if that was the case? With that said, I too rate Robinson higher.

[Stab Judah]

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[krispy kreme]

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