What was Ray Robinson at 5'11 doing at welterweight?

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I mean Royd didn't show me nothing really special as a MW. A very green Hopkins fought evenly with Roy for the last 8rds. And, that was a very green Hopkins. Ray Robinson against Roy at MW? It would be easy work for Ray. If a green B-Hop could give Roy trouble. A 10x more skilled Ray would of beat Roy. Jones might have a chance on beat Ray at 175. But, not at middleweight.

hopkins was'nt green, or at the very least as green as you make him out to be
and jones also nearly exclusively fought with one hand

there's always an excuse when someone of the near past has won a fight, weight drained, shot or green

ever look at robinsons wins and think maybe armstrong was past prime? lamotta was green? ofcourse your dont, he's a fighter you see in black and white that your father talked greatly about(because he was of his time) and you cant accept otherwise

all that aside, you still have'nt answered, me, was it jones fault that hopkins was green(which means jones was green) was it roys fault toney was weight drained?(which i dont think he was), fact is jones stepped up, and ''dominated''

[TheGreatA]

just looked up anglott-robinson and ray weighed 144 and a half

Robinson and Angott fought three times. The first time in 1941 when Angott held the lightweight title. Robinson and Angott both came in at 136, a pound above the limit.

[jrosales13]

just looked up anglott-robinson and ray weighed 144 and a half

In the first fight with Anglott was at lightweight the rematch was at welterweight. Maybe Ray weight a pound heavier than the lightweight limit I am not sure I don't remember but it was looked as a lightweight fight. I know for a fact Ray was lower than 140 for the first Anglott fight.

[SplitSecond]

Ray in his 20's and first 135 fights was as close to being unbeatable as you can get.

We don't how good Jones was as a MW cuz we never saw him fight against a very good fighters that were around in his weightclass. The best fighter Roy fought at 160 was a very green Hopkins. And, B-Hop fought even with Jones in the last 8rds. If you don't think Robinson could do better than a very green Hopkins at 160 then either you are really underrating Robinson or really overrated Jones.

no i dont think he could, could he do as much with the boxing gloves we have now that allow for more of an impenetrable(obviously not) defence?

look at jorge castro(beat duran) and reggie johnson(has never been defeated soundly), these fighters that have given EVERY fighter they've faced such a hard time, what happened when they stepped up to rjj? domination, unlike anything ever seen in the world of boxing

[TheGreatA]

In the first fight with Anglott was at lightweight the rematch was at welterweight. Maybe Ray weight a pound heavier than the lightweight limit I am not sure I don't remember but it was looked as a lightweight fight. I know for a fact Ray was lower than 140 for the first Anglott fight.

Both weighed in at 136. It was not for the lightweight title and thus neither fighter had to weigh in at the 135 lb limit. Robinson was a lightweight at the time and only began campaigning as a welterweight after beating Angott. Having already beaten the champion in the division he didn't really have any reasons to stay at lightweight for.

[SplitSecond]

Robinson and Angott fought three times. The first time in 1941 when Angott held the lightweight title. Robinson and Angott both came in at 136, a pound above the limit.

ahh yea, i see it
He barely beat the count and after that "never could launch a sustained offensive against the dancing, long-armed Negro who hit him with darting jabs, whistling left hooks and booming bolo punches

[TheGreatA]

no i dont think he could, could he do as much with the boxing gloves we have now that allow for more of an impenetrable(obviously not) defence?

look at jorge castro(beat duran) and reggie johnson(has never been defeated soundly), these fighters that have given EVERY fighter they've faced such a hard time, what happened when they stepped up to rjj? domination, unlike anything ever seen in the world of boxing

Jorge Castro did better against Jones than he did against Terry Norris at 154 pounds. Castro really wasn't that good, just tough, a near 50 year old Roberto Duran went 1-1 with him.

Reggie Johnson was never a true light heavyweight, he was at his best in the early 1990's as a middleweight. It would have been a more interesting fight back then.

[Scott9945]

Teri Tom, MS, RD, is a board member of the Bruce Lee Foundation and a certified Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do instructor under Sifu Ted Wong.

Teri is also a registered dietitian with a BA in communications studies from UCLA, a master's degree in nutritional science from California State University, Los Angeles, and a certificate in personal training from the National Academy of Sports Medicine. She specializes in sports nutrition and runs her practice out of the exclusive SportsClub/LA in West Los Angeles.

She has been Pac's nutritionist since the the pre-DLH fight.

Tom said she was challenged to build up Pacquiao’s body mass without compromising his speed and power when he decided to move up two weight classes to fight De la Hoya.

“Manny has a history of dipping into the 130s only several weeks into training which was fine when he was fighting at a lower weight but this time, we had to keep him heavy so he’d have some heft going into the ring with Oscar,” wrote Tom in her book “Martial Arts Nutrition.”

Tom said in Pacquiao’s diet, she increased the frequency of his meals and switched his supplements. She introduced a protein shake of about 20 grams in the morning before jogging and another 20 grams after his workout in the afternoon. There was also a mid-morning snack, usually an egg sandwich. The goal was to build his muscle mass.

Eating a lot of calorie-laden food at his favorite Thai restaurant beside the Wild Card Gym in Los Angeles was not a problem in Tom’s program.

“When you’re Manny, you burn through calories like there’s no tomorrow,” said Tom. “My feeling is if he’s four to six percent body fat and losing muscle is a concern, I’m not going to quibble about the Thai restaurant and coconut sauces. It’s more important that he get those calories in and that it’s palatable to him and that he enjoys his food. A lot of people ask me about the four cups of rice he’ll have. Again, not a problem when body fat is coming down and we are preserving muscle.”

Tom said a careful balance of nutritional intake is crucial during Pacquiao’s training period. “Carbohydrate intake during extended bouts of exercise has been proved to improve performance,” she noted. “Carbohydrates are key to fueling your alertness and skill whether you’re training or competing.”

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[SplitSecond]

Jorge Castro did better against Jones than he did against Terry Norris at 154 pounds. Castro really wasn't that good, just tough, a near 50 year old Roberto Duran went 1-1 with him.

Reggie Johnson was never a true light heavyweight, he was at his best in the early 1990's as a middleweight. It would have been a more interesting fight back then.

jorge did better than most against jones at middleweight because it was a baby green jones, and still does'nt change the fact that all johnsons losses are disputable, i had him beating toney

[J.R]

Same could be said for Amir Khan at 5' 10'' at Lightweight.