FIREPOWER 2!!! Can miguel pull it off??? I think so!!

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  • zalez787
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    #71
    Originally posted by biglou88
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    Cotto did well in round one even in round two before the end. Then he got to comfortable and went back to doing what he successfully did to Mosley and Judah which was Brawl and it cost him the fight. He's lucky the Ropes were there to save him cause it was almost three knockdowns. Manny did what he needed to do Cotto didn't.
    thank you , at least someone with brains sees my point , i aint debating his loss or his ass whooping , Im debating why he didnt keep doing what he was doing , which was smart boxing , he tried to brawl and Mannys speed was too much.

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    • Bushidō
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      #72
      Originally posted by zalez787
      ok so hypothetically speaking. If this fight were to happen.

      First , Cotto needs a new trainer. Not wanting to disrespect Joe Santiago or Manny, but cotto had the right stuff to beat Manny and I will explain why.

      First round: Cotto dictates the paste and doesnt engage in exchanges , counters very good , matches Mannys explosiveness by catching him with quick jabs coming from a nice angle.

      That was key for a victory. And I dont care who says what. As long as Cotto kept this up he had this fight , and this is where Mayweathers last statement about pac being one dimensional kicks into gear.

      I can see why maywetaher considers Manny a one dimensional fighter, Manny last 5 opponents , 3 mexicans , Hatton and De la Hoya. Mexicans love to exchange , they are hit me so I can hit you harder type fighters. And that gives Manny the edge with his way superior speed. Hatton , he throws and throws , with no defense , Manny throws and throws , with some defense and better accuracy , and De la Hoya. Which had no chance.

      Manny can only beat you one way. With his speed. But unless you dont give him an open canvas , he wont have anywhere to paint his shots.How do you do that. Box Box Box a lot.

      Jab , jab , jab , counter and pick your spots , and thats exactly what Cotto did in the first.

      He dictated the paste of the first round , did not let Manny settle into his fighting style which is exchange a lot and Ill beat you with my speed.

      From the second round on , Cotto forgot that Mannys speed , is out of the ordinary. Take away his speed , and he doesnt have much resources , only his bounce a lot style of walking the ring which will make you miss a lot ,And Cotto took his speed away in the first round.

      Cotto thought that after that first round , he could actually throw combinations and that Manny will not engage. after all , it was called FIREPOWER. somebody was going to land first , we all knew who had the advantage , and we all knew what the other guy had to do , what he did in the first. And forgot to do from the second on. Cotto engage and fell into Manny trap , he tried to outland and beat Manny to the punch and you cannot do that. After that fight , I came to the conclusion that whoever beats manny pacquiao is going to do it in a boring fight , lacking a lot of action , and using a lot of defense.
      No. If they fought 10 out of 10 times I'm possible Pacquiao would score multiple knockdowns every time. Cotto said he just couldn't see those shots and a new trainer isn't going to change that. He's always had a problem with uppercuts too but its cause thats the way he fights. No way Cotto should never fight him again but if he does I don't know if I can resist from ordering again

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      • zalez787
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        #73
        Originally posted by The Bay Bomber
        No. If they fought 10 out of 10 times I'm possible Pacquiao would score multiple knockdowns every time. Cotto said he just couldn't see those shots and a new trainer isn't going to change that. He's always had a problem with uppercuts too but its cause thats the way he fights. No way Cotto should never fight him again but if he does I don't know if I can resist from ordering again
        Well Im almost sure that 10 out of 10 times If cotto fought the same way yes he would have gotten koed , but thats not what I was talking about

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          #74
          Originally posted by zalez787
          Well Im almost sure that 10 out of 10 times If cotto fought the same way yes he would have gotten koed , but thats not what I was talking about
          no dude..i think pac simply got his rhythm from 2nd rnd on..t was more of manny's doing..watch closely..

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          • Roger Mellie
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            #75
            Originally posted by zalez787
            ok so hypothetically speaking. If this fight were to happen.

            First , Cotto needs a new trainer. Not wanting to disrespect Joe Santiago or Manny, but cotto had the right stuff to beat Manny and I will explain why.

            First round: Cotto dictates the paste and doesnt engage in exchanges , counters very good , matches Mannys explosiveness by catching him with quick jabs coming from a nice angle.

            That was key for a victory. And I dont care who says what. As long as Cotto kept this up he had this fight , and this is where Mayweathers last statement about pac being one dimensional kicks into gear.

            I can see why maywetaher considers Manny a one dimensional fighter, Manny last 5 opponents , 3 mexicans , Hatton and De la Hoya. Mexicans love to exchange , they are hit me so I can hit you harder type fighters. And that gives Manny the edge with his way superior speed. Hatton , he throws and throws , with no defense , Manny throws and throws , with some defense and better accuracy , and De la Hoya. Which had no chance.

            Manny can only beat you one way. With his speed. But unless you dont give him an open canvas , he wont have anywhere to paint his shots.How do you do that. Box Box Box a lot.

            Jab , jab , jab , counter and pick your spots , and thats exactly what Cotto did in the first.

            He dictated the paste of the first round , did not let Manny settle into his fighting style which is exchange a lot and Ill beat you with my speed.

            From the second round on , Cotto forgot that Mannys speed , is out of the ordinary. Take away his speed , and he doesnt have much resources , only his bounce a lot style of walking the ring which will make you miss a lot ,And Cotto took his speed away in the first round.

            Cotto thought that after that first round , he could actually throw combinations and that Manny will not engage. after all , it was called FIREPOWER. somebody was going to land first , we all knew who had the advantage , and we all knew what the other guy had to do , what he did in the first. And forgot to do from the second on. Cotto engage and fell into Manny trap , he tried to outland and beat Manny to the punch and you cannot do that. After that fight , I came to the conclusion that whoever beats manny pacquiao is going to do it in a boring fight , lacking a lot of action , and using a lot of defense.
            I dont mean to burst ya bubble,but if Manny fought cotto every day for the next 30 years Cotto wouldnt win one. Just listen to what Miguel has said post fight.

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            • AKATheMack
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              #76
              Cotto said the difference in the fight was him not being able to see Pacs punches coming, thats not something he can change. The best that would happen is he might do better the first 6rds after that its a replay.

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                #77
                Originally posted by zalez787
                thank you , at least someone with brains sees my point , i aint debating his loss or his ass whooping , Im debating why he didnt keep doing what he was doing , which was smart boxing , he tried to brawl and Mannys speed was too much.
                Dude, watch the 2nd round again. Cotto was trying to outbox Pac but he was being hit with the flurries whenever Pac tries to.. The whole fight was controlled by Pac, whenever he wants to engage, he can and he did.. it was just a matter of time since the first round.

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                • BEEHOP
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                  #78
                  Cotto could never ever beat pacman.

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                  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by zalez787
                    thank you , at least someone with brains sees my point , i aint debating his loss or his ass whooping , Im debating why he didnt keep doing what he was doing , which was smart boxing , he tried to brawl and Mannys speed was too much.
                    Oh man................

                    Cotto can't beat Pacquiao if he fought him 100 times.

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                    • Pugilistic™
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                      #80
                      Cotto fought very well in the first round and was decent through rounds 2-4 but he allowed himself to start exchanging with Pacquiao and that was his downfall.

                      Pacquiao being quicker got the better of the exchanges and scored two knockdowns because of them.

                      After the 4th Cotto tried to go back to his boxing but by that time Pacquaio had upped his workrate and was catching Cotto regularly.

                      From then on i knew Pacquiao was gonna take over.

                      Regarding a second fight it would go the exact same.

                      Cotto wouldn't be able to box the whole fight, he likes to fight and that is his downfall against Pacquiao.

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